Project MGF is nearly ready to start work on! - Well, all the parts are nearly ready for Dave to start on it! I had hoped to do some of the interior stuff myself, but I don't think I'll have the time :(

One poorly MGF
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One Engine in Bits (still within the car!)
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One hand built, spanking new 1.8K Series, thanks to the great guys at PTP...
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One TF Cooling System
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& various interior bits and bobs that I haven't photographed yet!

She'll hopefully be admitted to the hospital within a few weeks.

Going to be an interesting project, keep us posted on all the happenings! :)

I might be wrong, but it looks like the new cooling system has a leak!

I like the look of that BRAND NEW engine!

How much did that set you back?

I like the look of that BRAND NEW engine!

How much did that set you back?

Well I struck a deal with PTP, but the retail cost of a new engine is around £1500 - and that's with a recon head - this is brand new, built up from new parts! :D

have you fitted the new land rover parts? or are you suing the stock gasket, liners etc?

All stock MGR parts used. This was built before the availability of the Land Rover gaskets.

Yeah, and tbh I'm not overly concerned. PTP do stress that alot of the problems from HGF comes from the way they are built - not saying the ones from Powertrain were bad, just that these are hand built by the same person, as opposed to going down the line. A main problem comes apparently from when the heads are put onto the engine, if its not done carefully, the gasket can be damaged or when the bolts are put through, if its not done carefully, they can nic the edge of the gasket etc..

I think that's what they said, it all went a bit over my head! What I do know is that they are experts and I bow to their knowledge and experience! :URGOD:

They've built countless high performance engines with the original plastic dowels (before the metal ones were available) and they're still running over 200bhp now without a problem.

I wouldn't have turned down the LR HG if they offered it, but for what the engine is going to be used for (i.e. not me driving it most of the time!) and being a 120, the standard stuff will do fine :D

I'd fully agee with what PTP have said Steve....

Hmmmmmm interesting - a big crate has just arrived at my place - the wife hasn't got a clue as to what's just turned up!!

She thinks I've been spending money behind her back, I'll keep her going as long as possible :lol:

lol!

Say its a valentines prezzie!

Here it is - you'll be glad to know it's inside now, safe under cover!

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Just opened the box!

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....and the engine out of it's crate.....I won't unwrap it until needed...

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Also got a few updates myself! :D Yes, I've actually done some work on the F today.

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New Shadow Chrome TF160 Alloys

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New Door cards (technical finish with black alcantara) - note the missing plastic bit around the handle :doh:

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Replaced the rusted bolts with new stainless steel items

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Replaced the Windscreen surround with the black version, changed the instrument surround for the TF style.

Tomorrow - seats & interior clean! (Kerrie can do something to help for a change! :lol:

However, discovered that the front brakes have virtually no pads left! Probably about 1-2mm left. Just as well I got some OEM ones off ebay for a tenner!

Steve! I'm shocked, quite frankly!

Might well be able to collect her next weekend.......:dddc:

Busy day today!

Changed the Centre Console, Heater controls, Steering wheel and got one seat changed!

Just need to vac the other side & put in the seat and the interiors basically done! :D

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Been busy then! I really must check my brakes! :lol:

Nice to see the usual high quality carpet fit there Steve!

lol, yeah. quality isn't it. I'll have to get some decent sticky back veltro and attach them that way! After all, it appears thats all the dealership did - except they used cheap ones that come off :eyes:

steve is that new 1.8k that dr.daves got going in the f?

what happened to the original engine?

Yup - that's the one....

The old engine will probably end up in the skip.

What's wrong with the original engine Dave? If it's going scrap, can I take it off your hands to play with? :D

Depends if Dave wants it - I told him he could have whatever he wanted from it as a thank you (in part) for doing it!

Its had a HGF, so in theory it may well be OK again when that's replaced. I don't know if the head was warped or anything though. Its also done 108K.

I havn't got the space to accumulate any more parts.......and at 108k it'll be 'salvage' only.

I'm not fussy! I just want to strip an engine down in practice to building up a new engine that I am planning (I happen to have a TT supercharger in the garage for this project!)

So if it's taking up space Dave, I'd be very happy to take it off your hands and through in a couple of beer tokens :beer:

Watch out Rob, Dave has a habit of cramming a car full of engines onto the trailer and dumping them off :lol:

I thought you would have fitted that by now given the convo's you were having at Dave Walkers last year.

:lol: Okay, I consider myself warned! ;)

Stu, the plans for the SC have been delayed by all the usual - work, family and other commitments! I am hoping for a bit more time this year, but with another baby on the way, I am not sure...

Which is why I am looking for an engine to play with - it'll give me the excuse to go out into the garage and practice, to see how the SC will fit together, and I will have a far better idea of what parts I am going to need to order...

Look forward to seeing it up and running.

And congrats on the impending arrival.

Cheers mate! :D :beer:

Yes - Rob - you are welcome to any parts left over post-rebuild.

I don't have room for much more! :err:

cheers Dave :D

Speak soon! :beer:

ooh, could be possible movement on this soon... :D:D

Yup, the F has offically left the building! Its on its way down to Devon as we speak. Thanks again to Dave for popping up after work to collect it. :D

Just got home....I'm tired!

Thanks again to Dave for collecting it tonight, if there was a Hero of the month award, you'd get it :D

My eyes are getting a tad heavy right now........

You need a beer, or 12, thats the trouble when your the man with trailer.

Just been out and moved a car for a mate locally - I can rest now - at last!

I've got eight cans of Guiness chillin right now :drool:

I've got eight cans of Guiness chillin right now :drool:

It's alright for some! I went to bed early!

I've got a hangover now

How's your head now? :sick2:

Project vi has begun it's journey to Ireland.......

It will be delivered to Fishguard on my trailer in the next three weeks, ready for it's new life (and identity) in Ireland :beer:

How's your head now? :sick2:

Project vi has begun it's journey to Ireland.......

It will be delivered to Fishguard on my trailer in the next three weeks, ready for it's new life (and identity) in Ireland :beer:

Doing all again in about 30minutes :beer2:

So She's off to the Republic, or Northern?

Republic of Ireland, sailing from Fishguard sometime in the next 2-3 weeks

EEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drunk again!!!!!!

need more beer.

Smeg!!!, the Vi is leaving Blighty???

Somebody call A-A for Simon!!!!

Yup.....going to Ireland...

Oi you two, stop hijacking the Project MGF thread! ;) :lol:

Might have found alternative premises for the engine swap - more as and when

Need to make a decision by the end of next week - for two reasons!

Project MGF is now at my work's main workshop - starting it next week.

Cool.

Please take your camera with you when you work on it ;)

Well maybe my camera phone - which is good enough!

Dave, if you leave the brakes until its back at yours, the weekend I come down to collect it, I'll come down in the morning and give you a hand, I feel I ought to get my hands dirty for once! lol

Oooooh, your chance to leave all the really fiddly greasy jobs Dave :lol:

Dave, if you leave the brakes until its back at yours, the weekend I come down to collect it, I'll come down in the morning and give you a hand, I feel I ought to get my hands dirty for once! lol

One wonders whether you'll be a help or a hindrance, Steve! :dddc:

Nah, seriously, you can make the tea.

All I'm doing at work on the ramp is dropping the motor and 'frame out - swapping over the engine/bits etc and refitting the 'frame and repressurising the hydragas.

Everything else I will do at home, the garage is clear.

Oooooh, your chance to leave all the really fiddly greasy jobs Dave :lol:

Yeah, right, Steve can do all the back breaking work from up top ;)

steve can make the tea and carry the custard creams!

I think that Steve may draw the line at wearing the Teas Maid uniform though... ;) :lol:

I think that Steve may draw the line at wearing the Teas Maid uniform though... ;) :lol:
It's not what i have heard!! :lol: :dddc:

Cheers
Skelo

I'm not sure Dave would be able to concentrate if he did.

I'm not sure Dave would be able to concentrate if he did.

Indeed! I'd run a mile!

Project MGF is coming to bits tomorrow! :spanner:

ooooh! :hyper:

The engine is out!

It's messy alright, oily crap everywhere!

Just about to start changing over the engine bits.....

Yuk!

Good luck - sounds as though you are motoring away with this project! I am looking forward to seeing the gooey mess that was once a K-series engine...

Engine is nearly ready to be refitted - not bad for an afternoon's work!

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and a broken engine mounting......

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doing a good job there dr.dave. On an f/tf do you drop the whole lot including gearbox, shafts and wheels?

I really do wish i had access to a set of those ramps! how much easier life would have been :(

I know - the two post lift is invaluable when doing these jobs.

I'll take on most things without a ramp, but this job really needs a 2 post lift.

I know where there is a ramp for £250, but I haven't the space for it, nor do I have a 3 phase power supply!

I know - the two post lift is invaluable when doing these jobs.

I'll take on most things without a ramp, but this job really needs a 2 post lift.

I know where there is a ramp for £250, but I haven't the space for it, nor do I have a 3 phase power supply!

I definatley have no space for one!....I so wish i did though!...i'm sure wipping the engine out from under the car must be a doddle compared to keeping it inside the car whan doing a HG....obviously not much choice when it's a full engine replacement!...i take it they only come out the bottom?

I definatley have no space for one!....I so wish i did though!...i'm sure wipping the engine out from under the car must be a doddle compared to keeping it inside the car whan doing a HG....obviously not much choice when it's a full engine replacement!...i take it they only come out the bottom?


Aye, subframe out is the only way. I'd love to see someone try to get one out through the access hole above :lol:

Aye, subframe out is the only way. I'd love to see someone try to get one out through the access hole above :lol:

lol!! does look a tad tight to lift out the top!

I know where there is a ramp for £250, but I haven't the space for it, nor do I have a 3 phase power supply!

If you dont have the space the point is moot, but 3 phase convertors are cheap enough.

If you dont have the space then point is moot, but 3 phase convertors are cheap enough.

Use rotory convertor,dearer than static,but still cheaper than digging the road up.

Thanks for the info guys, will see what happens in the future! :dddc:

Aye, subframe out is the only way. I'd love to see someone try to get one out through the access hole above :lol:Aparently you can, but you have to strip the engine of the manifolds and probably anything else - but it just about does apparently.

not something I'd want to try :shake:

What's the latest on Project MGF then folks? :)

If I get home in the daylight tonight, there will be some pics for you all to see!

It's hard going - nothing like working on a FWD conventional car.

The old engine is out on the floor - it's very dirty and oily mind - Rob - you'll need a good load liner and loads of sheets when you collect it!

The F needs an engine mounting - £60 :eek: which is coming overnight.

Should at least have her running this weekend, aiming for a next weekend handover to Steve :err:

Ooo! That'll please Yimmy! :lol:

I'm down in the West Country this weekend - but the car's being serviced on Saturday. When would be a good time to collect it? I presume ASAP! :)

Any day except Sunday after 11am Rob!

I'll drop you a line on Saturday then Dave to let you know whether I can collect over this weekend. Hmm, this ought to make packing in the baby gear interesting ;)

Project Update

TF radiator and underside pipework now in.

RH engine mounting removed, waiting for new one tommorrow

Clutch hydraulics 50% bled - I need a helper tommorrow night!

All cooling hoses replaced, together with expansion tank

Just the throttle body to replace and fit the airbox, solder up a wire or two and she'll be ready for the off!

Can't get out in the shed until perhaps 10pm tommorrow night, the wife is out :(

Might not get a chance to do any more until Sat pm then :(

Images, as promised......

Car in workshop, jacked up and on axle stands - must be a good 15" off the ground! Not as good as having a two post ramp, but all the heavy work is one.

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TF Radiator fitted, although there's nowt to see here.....but you get the jist!

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I'm replacing the broken engine mounting here.....easy with the lump out on the floor like it was a week ago! Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

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And here's the broken mounting - over 100,000 miles, you can't really complain!

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and here's how the engine looks tonight - all primed with engine oil and ready for the off!

Just the throttle body and a few pipes to connect, plus a vacuum fill to do on the cooling system

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Do you think we (Steve) should replace the brake pads in these TF160 front calipers that are about to be fitted?

Anybody know where to get some cheaper pads from?? The pads are >£100!

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Well, how long do you think they'll last, its not me driving, its Kerrie! lol?

One thing I do need is a new seal for the offside rear light - its leaking.

Do you think we (Steve) should replace the brake pads in these TF160 front calipers that are about to be fitted?

Anybody know where to get some cheaper pads from?? The pads are >£100!

EBC Greenstuff are half that, don't know how they perform with the AP's, Mintex 1144's are sub £100 from Techspeed (well, they used to be) and are the dogs ;).

Well, how long do you think they'll last, its not me driving, its Kerrie! lol?

One thing I do need is a new seal for the offside rear light - its leaking.

Don't know - less than 4mm or so remaining.

Up to you really, just thinking of avoiding any future hassles like you've had with the Coupe and 400!

Leaking rear lamp? Do you mean between the lamp and the bodyshell?

STOP PRESS!

A new set of Mintex front pads are on their way to me right now......:dddc:

All at the right price, too!

Interesting thread - never seen a f/tf dis-assembeled. Dr Dave is that garage with the lift thing where you work or are you just lucky enough to have a garage like that at the bottom of your garden?

The pics of it about 6ft in the air were taken at Dave's work, the pics on this page with it on axle stands are in his garage at home!

Mintex pads - very nice! :D

100 pounds the brakes pads ??????????? ,how i could check if my engine mounting work well ? iguess in the diesel engine this mountings are more biggest , hidrolastic i guess they are ,what mean this ?.cheers

How to check engine mountings? Apart from a visuall check just try and rock the engine with your hands and it should move, but not a big amount.

New engine mounting.....£55! :eek:

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and a nice new set of front brake pads, for the Trophy AP front brakes....

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Oh....and a new NSR driveshaft oil seal to replace the one damaged during swapover!

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just i think that brake pads should be regroovables lol ,100 pounds my god

These weren't anywhere near £100!

i really afraid if i would have any HGF or similar failitures ,not just by the spare's prices but the dificulties to find the rover car's spares, and the officials dealers are disappearing ,
is a luck that you find all those news spares,
erm what do you thing about waht car is so more funny to drive ,the mg tf or a lotus elipse ? i was watching a cheaper lotus elipse the other day ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,temptations lol

ah to find spares go to www.xpartautoservicecentre.com ;)

or www.rimmerbros.com

most stuff is available.

Dr Dave deserves a medal!

I know where there is a ramp for £250, but I haven't the space for it, nor do I have a 3 phase power supply!

Dave, a mate of mine has just bought his 3rd ramp for €400, but it was 3 phase and his garage is only single phase.

I have just spent the afternoon swapping the original motor for a single phase one...all went very well.

So the ramp now has a single phase motor - what's it rated at? 3.5HP or so?

3HP IIRC, I think the lift was made by Hoffmann. Very well made, ingenious design using a chain drive in the base to operate both sides from a single motor.

Yeah, that's a good ramp.

Far better than some of the Russian and Spanish rubbish about!

Any update on the 'F Dr? Been watching the thread with bated breath.




(makes mental note to get some mints).

Tommorrow night should see it running.

All radiator and pipework is now installed - that was a nasty, dirty old job.

Need to replace the engine mount first......

Oh and Rob Bell visited today - he liked your car!

So that's another org member who has visited Number 8!

These weren't anywhere near £100!are you going to let on how much and where from good Dr, or how much we'd have to cross your palms with for a set of 1144's ????

Let me see tommorrow Pete :dddc:

Interesting indeed - there is nothing listed for the TF160 on the Mintex
site!

Found it Dave.

Listed under the MGF Trophy 160.

MDB2176 for oem spec pads

Great to see you yesterday Dave - and thanks too for the cuppa! :D

Steve, your F is looking absolutely superb! Love the seats you've had fitted - which model do they come from? I like the MG logo embroidered on the facings... :)

Oh, and the new engine is a beauty :)

Now have a rather poorly oily engine sitting in my garage. Now need some time to clean strip and rebuild... :)

Cheers :beer:

Found it Dave.

Listed under the MGF Trophy 160.

MDB2176 for oem spec pads

Under MGF Trophy 1.6 wasn't it? :lol:

Rob - good to see you got home safely - hope the engine stayed upright!

OK.....The MGF is now running, started on the button after I'd built up oil pressure on the starter motor.

Bad things - the clutch isn't clearing fully, the pedal feels floppy with a good bit of free play at the top of it's travel - maybe a further bleed tommorrow will sort that, I hope.

SRS light is on - you been playing with the seats?

Don't think I'd take on another MGF engine change to be honest, it's a pig of a job out of the workshop.

Chaning that engine mounting was a right pain....

Yes the seats were played with Dave ;)

They were changed IIRC .

Rob - good to see you got home safely - hope the engine stayed upright!
Thanks :D

Yes, the engine stayed upright - a challenge with all those roundabouts on the A358/A303! :lol: I resisted the temptation to be the last of the late brakers ;)

First job will be to build a level floor in my garage - irritatingly, it's one quite a slope. I don't want to find the engine on its stand half way down the street one day...

Glad to hear it Rob!

I've enlisted some help later on - hopefully get this clutch bled up fully and get it working 100%....

The clutch bleed looks to be a real nightmare on the F - definitely a two-man job!

One of those jobs that falls into the 'laugh a minute' category...

Indeed - I've (with the aid of the wife!!) bled about half a litre through the system - to no avail.

I've had the linkage apart and checked for excessive wear (which there is...) but I've compensated for it, but it's still no better.

I think it's now time to replace components - I think the slave cylinder is probably the most logical place to start....

I did manage to get the clutch working well enough to carry out Project MGF's maiden voyage - everything seems ok! (Apart from the clutch)

Soggy pedal Dave?

I have this problem with the brakes - feels like there's loads of air in the line, but there isn't (been bleed to death!) Master cylinder has been braced to stop movement of the bulk head (there was loads there - incredible - now more or less erradicated) - but sponginess remains. I am wondering - having already replaced the master cylinder - whether the brake calipers themselves need rebuilding. But how do you get pressure loss without fluid loss??? :confused:

Soggy/floppy clutch pedal Rob.

Brakes need a quick bleed - after disconnecting the rear calipers to remove said engine.

Going to go the slave cylinder route I think.

Isnt it just so much easier with a cable operated clutch.

Maybe, but the Hydralic ones just feel better - give me the clutch in the 400 over the Coupe's any day.

Maybe, but the Hydralic ones just feel better - give me the clutch in the 400 over the Coupe's any day.

Is the 400 clutch hydralic then?

Maybe, but the Hydralic ones just feel better - give me the clutch in the 400 over the Coupe's any day.

Nah, cable clutch for me, everytime! Too much to go wrong with hydraulic clutches.

Is the 400 clutch hydralic then?

Yes '95MY> are hydraulically operated.

Maybe, but the Hydralic ones just feel better - give me the clutch in the 400 over the Coupe's any day.
Yeah, would i be right in thinking that my sisters ford fiesta is cable operated? Whenever i drive a mates car i always think the clutch feels bloody awful. My 400's is smooth and consistent the whole way down.

Depends how old said Festa is.....

Depends how old said Festa is.....
Damnit that was very bad of me, 97.

IIRC '97s are cable clutches.

IIRC '97s are cable clutches.

I'd disagree - I changed a clutch hydraulic slave cylinder on a 97 R 1.25 Fiesta the other day!

Any update Dave, just rather eager to get the MGF to cheer Kerrie up at the mo :(

The 400 seems to be having new problems every day! Now the driver's door lock is being a bit tempremental.

Any update Dave, just rather eager to get the MGF to cheer Kerrie up at the mo :(

The 400 seems to be having new problems every day! Now the driver's door lock is being a bit tempremental.


maybe that ebay description was right, the gremlins just took a year off lol

lol, na, on reflection I think something just got stuck in the door catch, pulled it out and it seemed to shut ok with a good slam!

I'd disagree - I changed a clutch hydraulic slave cylinder on a 97 R 1.25 Fiesta the other day!
Oh, well, its still a horrible action it has! Maybe im just a rover clutch fan, as apposed to purely hydraulic ones.

Will have cylinder tommorrow am!

Will fit ASAP tommorrow.

Collecting the cylinder after the quacks thisavo, need to go to Exeter to collect Edgies radiator too!

Don't worry, your's is getting done first! :)

Any update?

Not that I can collect on Sat now, haven't got the insurance sorted, but could arrange for Monday evening or something.

Cylinder is on, just need to get it bled, lack of helpers last night!

Fingers crossed, I hope it's cures it, I really do...

I'd disagree - I changed a clutch hydraulic slave cylinder on a 97 R 1.25 Fiesta the other day!

Ooh,nice job! They've swoped the pipe/nipple holes round haven't they.Ford want about £35 for new pipe.I'm sure you reshaped old one if not too rusty and stuck the anti shunt valve in the other hole.
Pull box to replace slave!Doh!!!

Clutch action now ok - it was a knackered clutch slave cylinder.

Engine wasn't running beforehand, so I had no idea as to the condition of the slave cylinder etc.

Will be dropping it off to the MOT station tonight ready for test this week.

Phew, thank god for that.

On for collection later in the week / weekend then?

Phew, thank god for that.

On for collection later in the week / weekend then?

Yes, definately.

The MOT might throw up a few queries - the front shock absorber lower bushes are shot for starters!

Brakes fitted and roadtested, brake fluid replaced too!

Old brakes, with worn out pads...

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....and on with the new.....:)

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Complete with a new set of pads, to cope with the 'abuse' they'll get....

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Any takers for a pile of worn out braking parts? :dddc:

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A comparison of standard MGF brakes alongside the vastly superior AP Setup....

The pedal feel and travel has improved 75% - very impressed.

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Just a little morer work to get her up to MOT standard....

Shock absorber lower bushes are shot.....

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12 mile road test - all seems well so far!

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and the expansion tank remains fairly clear, just a little residual gunk contained in the heater system......NO I'm not going to rip the matrix out to clean it out!

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And a shot of the brake setup with the roadwheel back on.....looks sweet!

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and a close-up

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Project MGF on the driveway.....

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Audi relegated to the road, not happy!

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At last - the RCH has it's own IP Camera so I can check (and their owners!) on the progress of their cars.....

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Some good pics there dave, you could have cleaned up the new calipers though :dddc:

Cheers
Skelo

lol - I know, but a quick steam clean at work with a quick spray of alloy wheel cleaner and the job's a good 'un......

Dave why ap's? on a 1.8i?

Dave why ap's? on a 1.8i?

They came at the right price.....and why not? They look awesome!

ahhhhh so its for cosmetic reasons. I know they look awesome i have a set myself!

ahhhhh so its for cosmetic reasons. I know they look awesome i have a set myself!

Plus the existing ones were shot to bits....

The difference it has made to the brake pedal is amazing!

Come on dave a new set of calipers, pads and disc's would have been the same price as those ap's.

I got my ap's of flea bay for about 270 for pads disc's and carriers.

I was just thinking that a i doesnt really need ap's does it? jesus my vvc doesnt need ap's. But it will in future ;)

cool new calipers and job ermm .... for what will you use that camera in the garage ? just i hope that you wouldnt use it like the erotic web pages use it
lol

exist calipers like that for r 400 ? thanks

It's purely for looks John.

very interesting thread dave and cracking pictures, good job that man.

Nice car Dr Dave, I'm just running in a Nikon D50.

Malcolm

whats left then dave?

Come on dave a new set of calipers, pads and disc's would have been the same price as those ap's.

I got my ap's of flea bay for about 270 for pads disc's and carriers.

I was just thinking that a i doesnt really need ap's does it? jesus my vvc doesnt need ap's. But it will in future ;)

John, the discs, calipers and worn out pads only cost me £200 - wasn't going to turn that offer down. The existing pads and discs were scrap anyway, so needed replacing.

And they look & perform so much better, yes, even on a 1.8i ;)

200 pound's cant say fairer than that............

its not an attack steve. Is the car gonna see some track ?

Not forgetting the cost of the new wheels that are needed to fit them!

Not forgetting the cost of the new wheels that are needed to fit them!

Again, they were at the right price! The old ones weren't that special, considering they'd done 100K+

Not forgetting the cost of the new wheels that are needed to fit them!There comes the advantage of running two large websites with good advertising opportunites :dddc: ;)

200 pound's cant say fairer than that............

its not an attack steve. Is the car gonna see some track ?I doubt it, she won't let me! ;) Don't worry, I didn't see it as an attack! ;) :itschy: :lol:

I just much prefer the AP brakes to the standard brakes, which after driving an AP equiped car, the standard brakes just seem borderline dangerous IMO!

Besides, they look far better than the standard brakes ;)

The rebuilt F is looking superb - first time I've seen it with the new brakes on. As said - awsome!

Steve, you're just going to HAVE to take it out on track now! ;) ;) ;)

Dave - regarding brake pedal feel - my guess is that the calipers need rebuilding. Mine do too I think. Have you ever serviced a set of these?

If Steve's old brakes are heading for the scrap bin, then I might save these if I may?

Ermm... I appear to be converting my garage into the set of Steptoes and Son! ;)

Thanks Rob!

Just need to get the shock absorber bushes sorted then it's time for an MOT tomorrow...

I'll grab the old discs and calipers out of the bin, see what Steve says :dddc:

Pedal feel with the new AP setup is great, same as the clutch now is after a new slave cylinder was installed.

Finishing off bits on the 'F tonight......in time for her MOT tommorrow after I've fitted the shock bushes.....

All still OK for a Wednesday collection?

Excellent stuff there Dave,

Just noticed the IP camera, I've got one just like that, it's currently recording my car on the drive every night after some ***** swine decided to try and break into it. Ripped the door handle clean out of the door skin!!
Grrrrrrr:cus:

Also I notice the quality of the pics, nice camera you have there.
Sorry to go slightly off topic!

All still OK for a Wednesday collection?Thought you wanted to do some test miles in it!? Wish I'd known that today, would been able to get the insurance sorted to start Wednesday & get the certificate through the post in time!

Saying that, its still possible. Drop me an email.

here you could have some nice stuff for you mgf brakes
http://www.apracing.com/car/brakekit/index.htm

Leave it Friday as per your email.....

Thanks Rob!

Just need to get the shock absorber bushes sorted then it's time for an MOT tomorrow...

I'll grab the old discs and calipers out of the bin, see what Steve says :dddc:

Pedal feel with the new AP setup is great, same as the clutch now is after a new slave cylinder was installed.
Cheers Dave :beer:

BTW love the IP camera... Nice! :) Hmm, now I am tempted to get one too! ROFL

Cheers Dave :beer:

BTW love the IP camera... Nice! :) Hmm, now I am tempted to get one too! ROFL

The wife isn't so impressed - it means I can view the house/kitchen/washing line whilst I am at work and I can call her if things aren't getting done! :)

:rotflmao: Do the benefits never end? :rotflmao:

The wife isn't so impressed - it means I can view the house/kitchen/washing line whilst I am at work and I can call her if things aren't getting done! :)
LOL I can just imagine Kerrie's reaction if I did that to her.

:omg2: Just thought, its more likely to be the other way around - her nagging me to do stuff!

The wife isn't so impressed - it means I can view the house/kitchen/washing line whilst I am at work and I can call her if things aren't getting done! :)

Legend!
Yep big fan.

and if her request the ip camera to you ?????

Project MGF is about to go for her MOT!

I'll probably do it around 12 mid-day :spanner:

so where can we watch this camera dave?? need to se the master at work :)

so where can we watch this camera dave?? need to se the master at work :)

Camera is at home viewing the front drive etc - not at work!

Camera is at home viewing the front drive etc - not at work!
I think he is refering to that very similar work you do with cars in your garage.

Leaking driveshaft oil seal now replaced!

Ready for collection Steve!

Woohoo!

I'll be collecting it later today!

Enjoy the drive home Steve. :D

Regarding the cream-crackered damper bushes, might I recommend sir consider a nice set of Bilsteins to complement those rather excellent brakes?

Will be ideal for when you take this car on track (who said that??? ;) )

Woohoo!

I'll be collecting it later today!

I'd like to pick Sir up on his last point - later today usually means AFTER mid-day, does it not? :dddc:

10am - what are you like????? :hyper:


Cheers for the beer! ;)

So has Project MGF made it safely back to Walsall?

Certainly has! :D

I remembered what MGF stands for - Magical Grin Factor! :cloud9:

Just done a final few tweaks to the interior and she's now Kerrie's :( ;)

http://gallery.mg-rover.org/data/3407/IMAGE_00008.jpg

So has Project MGF made it safely back to Walsall?

Says he with little faith!!

Says he with little faith!!


In the driver :haha:

In the driver :haha:

That's alright then!! :)

Nice work again Dave.

Have thoroughly enjoyed all of this thread.

Whats next mate?

A well earned break!

A well earned break!

and what then?? nah good work youve done there, allways enjoy reading through your projects.

I'm sure something will crop up sooner rather than later!

I hear Steve has been busy fixing the temperamental horn - a broken rotary coupler of all things!

I'm sure something will crop up sooner rather than later!

LOL, Steve hasn't bought for a few weeks.

He has been browsing ebay and finding fake TF 160's though.

He keeps emailing me links to various items/car on ebay!!!!

He's hooked - worse than Gra!

Obviously it's his behind the keyboard retail therapy :D

Whatever it is - he's got to slow down his spending after Project MGF!

Whatever it is - he's got to slow down his spending after Project MGF!
So all told, what did that MGF come out at?

Don't know! Not cheap as many components were upgraded.

Don't know! Not cheap as many components were upgraded.
Head in the sand job for him then i expect, just refuse to run the numbers!

Hehe, it wasn't *that* bad, came out at around £2.5K after all. Would have been a lot less had I not got a bit carried away with the upgrading! ;)

Oh, and that included the £1K for the car.

Still going fine today :) Horn only works off the one push button though, dunno why and in no rush to remove the airbag again to find out why!

I'm sure something will crop up sooner rather than later!

It will! ;)

Hehe, it wasn't *that* bad, came out at around £2.5K after all. Would have been a lot less had I not got a bit carried away with the upgrading! ;)

Oh, and that included the £1K for the car.

Still going fine today :) Horn only works off the one push button though, dunno why and in no rush to remove the airbag again to find out why!
It would have cost you more, at 'usual' garage rates.

Looking good though, hope kerrie enjoys it.

I hope you have rewarded the good Dr in the 'usual' way :dddc:

Cheers
Skelo

I hope you have rewarded the good Dr in the 'usual' way :dddc:


LOL!

The mind boggles.... and considering there is an IP Cam too!

LOL!

The mind boggles.... and considering there is an IP Cam too!

Haha! Careful!!

Well, Project MGF's original engine is sitting proud in my garage at the moment. Out of interest, I wanted to see what the liner height stand proud was (remembering that the tolerance should be between 0.05 to 0.15mm)...

Well, put it this way, I think that Steve made the right decision to fit a new engine - the liners are almost completely flush with the deck of the block - see attached piccie! No way could I get a 0.05mm feeler gauge in through that gap... So if this block is to be revived, it's going to have to be skimmed...

Some modest marking of the cylinder head too - it's probably going to need a skim - but since it will probably be ported, it'd be skimmed anyway... ;)

Some modest marking of the cylinder head too - it's probably going to need a skim - but since it will probably be ported, it'd be skimmed anyway... ;)
Which marking are we talking about, im new to engine internals, is it the ring round the head?

Which marking are we talking about, im new to engine internals, is it the ring round the head?


Yep It would be the ring around the combustion chamber.

Caused by the fire ring on the gasket.

Yep It would be the ring around the combustion chamber.

Caused by the fire ring on the gasket.
Aha thats what i thought, good, im learning :).

Well, Project MGF's original engine is sitting proud in my garage at the moment. Out of interest, I wanted to see what the liner height stand proud was (remembering that the tolerance should be between 0.05 to 0.15mm)...

Well, put it this way, I think that Steve made the right decision to fit a new engine - the liners are almost completely flush with the deck of the block - see attached piccie! No way could I get a 0.05mm feeler gauge in through that gap... So if this block is to be revived, it's going to have to be skimmed...

You want to skim the block?!!! That's a lot of work, I'd rather get a new block, surely it's better to start with a known good block and work from there...

You want to skim the block?!!! That's a lot of work, I'd rather get a new block, surely it's better to start with a known good block and work from there...
The idea behind this particular engine build is to strip the whole thing down to its components - and in this setting, getting the block planished actually isn't all that extra.

Besides, it is a 100k mile block - so it's dimensionally stable, and therefore ideal for what I have in mind (assuming my cunning plan comes together!)

The head has a slight indentation, which may be suggestive that it suffered some overheating following the HGF. If this is the case, then the marks are caused by the cylinder liners hammering away at a rapidly softening alloy surface...

Here's one I destroyed earlier...

http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group1/info/journal/blog/DSCF0032.JPG

Fortunately, this head is nothing like as bad... :)

Not being mechanically minded, where are the faults on the photo of that head? I can see some what looks like rippling - is that the extent of the damage, or am I missing something?

Not being mechanically minded, where are the faults on the photo of that head? I can see some what looks like rippling - is that the extent of the damage, or am I missing something?

the circle impressions around the combustion chamber would be what I think he's talking about.

the circle impressions around the combustion chamber would be what I think he's talking about.

Wow, they look deep!

Apologies! Yes, I should have said what to look for - and yes, in this case it is the ring around the the combusion camber (as indicated by the valves and central spark plug).

The head face should be completely flat - but clearly isn't on this head: the engine seriously overheated due to coolant loss. Consequently, the cylinder liners were able to hammer into the softening cylinder head, causing the damage seen above.

The head from Steve's MGF has a similar impression ring, but it's nothing like as bad - possibly indicating that its salvageable. The head is also true (I used the engineer's straight edge - aka side of a steel ruler! - to check diagonals and perpendiculars) which is great news.

However, if this engine had been rebuilt with a fresh gasket, I wouldn't fancy its chances of lasting more than a few 1000 miles due to the low liner heights...

Exactly Rob - often overlooked by those who don't know.

Just thought I'd give an update on 'Project MGF'. Well, she's been in PTP's workshop now for best part of 2 weeks, not for any tweaks sadly, but an accident repair. Thanks to a dozy foreign HGV, we needed a rear quarter panel replacing. We also took the opportunity to replace the noisey gearbox (which then needed a new clutch as it didn't completely disengage when changing down) and exhaust downpipe (as it was rattling as we went down the road - knackered flexi joint).

Now we've found out the rear shock bushes have gone and you can, apparently, only get them with the rear shocks themselves.

Oh, and the rear nearside brake pipe was corroded!

So all in all, she's proving to be rather high maintenance this 'F.

Still, she's 11 years old and as with all old cars, they need some work doing on them from time to time.

(which then needed a new clutch as it didn't completely disengage when changing down)

Then they must have damaged the clutch plate when removing the gearbox.

................and Steve, you have message about the shock absorber bushes.....

Try superflex for the bushes.

Then they must have damaged the clutch plate when removing the gearbox.Yeah, but how can I prove that Dave? Its what I thought.

Yeah, but how can I prove that Dave? Its what I thought.

You can't Steve. But it's a common 'problem' after removing/refitting a gearbox, a result of 'hanging' the gearbox input shaft on the clutch centre plate. This is an important part of the process.

Just ask Homer how careful I was when I refitted his new gearbox........

So its nothing I can really have a moan at them for then, its just a hazzard of replacing a gearbox? But surely if they know its a potiential problem, they should take precauions against it. I just don't see why I should be £70 out of pocket because of their mistake.

Agree Steve - £70 for a new clutch? That's mega cheap.

yeah thats not bad for a clutch, assuming its a proper part and not some cheap ass knock off!

and aye, dave took care when refitting the 'box to my car. what a legend! :beer:

Agree Steve - £70 for a new clutch? That's mega cheap.That is IIRC and parts only. They used the OEM part though.

That still sounds too cheap to me Steve.

Na, it was supposed to be £110!

To be fair, when I picked up the car today they did explain the amount of checking they did into the problem. It appears the previous clutch wasn't an OEM part and was different in design to the OEM clutch. The gearbox was also slightly different as well from the original 1996 PG1 box, they also confirmed the clutch surface wasn't damaged.

It would simply point to 'one of those things'. Not having a go at your for using a non OEM clutch though Dave, so please don't think that!

That's better.........

Just realised that we've had 'Odin' for a year now :) Shame he spent his anniversary down at Daves though!

Very odd though, the problem which lead to it being left at Daves has gone, its no longer squealing like mad. (Story (http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=183825))

Haven't heard anything about the F for months Steve - all OK?

One thing I do need is a new seal for the offside rear light - its leaking.LOL, just realised that after posting this in early 2006, we've finally just fitted a new seal! Don't really know why I waited quite so long! (Well, besides being lazy), but good god does the boot pong now.

Haven't heard anything about the F for months Steve - all OK?
Sorry, didn't see the post. At the time you asked, yes all was fine! lol

Still, talk about Silver linings and all that.

http://gallery.mg-rover.org/data/3708/medium/HPIM0448.jpg

Another annual Update!

Yet another accident (doh!) wasn't Kerrie's fault though, a Vectra cut her up on an island.

Still, Odin is back up and running again (http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=268128) (well will be when I replace the battery).