OKAY all U experts please advise the best setup here
price not allways that important but it will be the deciding factor nodoubt

EBC Greenstuff Pads seem the Ones & there Turbo Groove Matching Disc's ???

But is there a better setup i should be thinking of ???

I dont Race my Car & just drive it normal & only want to change
the standard units because of brake wobble throught the wheel when they are warm & this is my second set of OEM Pads & Discs & i think they are POOR! my Car has ABS & the brakes have no feel ??? Dunno why all Pads & Discs front & rear seem OK
not worn out by a long way
ABS works no probs esp in the SNOW

I just want to replace the OEM ones with the same size etc etc

Iam right in thinking them Greenstuff's dont leave that Black Dust on the wheels ??

I await any oppinion's

Thanks a Load

Graham

You've been quiet for a while:D

Anyway check this thread;
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3830


You can see a close up pic of my brakes in the Trax 2002 thread in MG/Rover related chat 2nd pg.

Fitted those braided hoses yet?

For the rears just put Greenstuff pads on, that ull be suffice.

Any grooved disc is going to leave brake dust on the wheels:( , I have PDB grooved discs with Mintex pads, and they work a treat. Only downside if the brake dust.

:D
Hi Dave

Errrr No they are still in the BAG Oooppss :cus:

Been too busy with work will get around to fitting them before too
long i hope then iam going to change them Front Discs when i decided the right ones to get.... V4 Greenstuff's seem to be the choice of most ????

& replace the rears with them Pads too

Iam right in saying there wont be much dust with them ??

Dr Dave says my Hubs are runout ??? what the hell is that ??
my local mechanic has never heard of such a problem with Cars like that ?? & if that was a problem then the brakes would wobble when hot of cold regardless wouldn't they ???

After a run when things are warmer the Front wheel wobbles when you brake even lightly & i never brake hard

You have some good ideas

More soon
Graham

Yep there isn't much dust, about 75% less dust than std pads.

The runout is the tolerance of what the disc can take before it throws a 'wobbler'. Normally when replacing discs you need to make sure that the hub is totally free of dirt/rust etc so the disc can sit flat onto the hub, if not soon after you could have a wobbly disc under braking. Also overheating them can produce the same effect. All brake discs take different levels of abuse etc before they wobble or crack etc. Usually std cheaper ones will give up earlier.

Your brakes may wobble more when hot as when the disc gets hot it expands and will go out of shape slightly more than when cold.

But if you get the brakes quite hot like braking heavyish downhill at speed they maybe too hot and start to fade, and will give the impression of wobbling. If the pads get hot gases build up on the pad surface making the pad skip (brake fade) and also feel like its jumping or wobbling. Std pads especially can give this effect as they have more organic fibre compounds than sports pads which give of the gases when hot. Greenstuff are a kevlar compound and contain very little organic fibres, so when hot don't gas up so they then can run at higher temperatures. Grooved or drilled discs can eleviate the gas build up a bit more than std discs, by expelling the gases thru the grooves or holes, but after that you can still end up with the same problem. Pads like Mintex Ctech (1144s I think) are a metalic based compound so are good at braking when hot, but due to the metalic content they will create more dust and wear the disc more than say Greenstuff. The MGs brakes especially on the higher performance versions are a lot better than the previous Rovers, like I found with my Coupe turbo. I found them crap at normal road speeds and didn't hold well when at motorway speeds.

Get some GS pads and good quality discs like Black Diamond and you'll be laughing up and down those hills and still be able to stop for the sheep in the road.:D

Hi Dave

Some Reply!!

V Interesting tho

The Dealer changed that last set of Discs at 18,000 Miles so i guess they are Perfectly clean behind there

So Black Diamond & GS pads front & rear OK i will look around for prices is that a better Disc than the Turbo Groove ones i must find there Website for nore info

Will get back to yas soon OK v busy at work ATM

Kind rgs
Graham

:doh:

One thing Dave ??

Which ones ?

Cross Drilled - 12 Grooved or Drilled & Grooved


http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/default.htm?blackdiamond/default.htm

http://www.proven-products.co.uk/products/new_page_2.htm

HELP??? + tell me where you recomend

Cheers

Graham

:bgrin2:

Hi Graham,

Get the combis (drilled & grooved) & GS pads for front & rear.

The discs I paid £145
Pads should be about F - £35-40 & R - £30

That site you've found has good prices for the discs, I would think they can supply you with pads aswell.

Just to make it clear you don't really need to change the rear discs for sports ones as they don't do as much braking as the front, just change the pads.

Evening Dave

Right yeah i know i only need the Rear Pads thats no probs

Now another M8 says that the RedDot Brake Disc's are better ?

Too Many Choices ??????????? ???????????

So will i get a better pedal feel with these Black Diamonds ??

& Grooved & Drilled is the Ones OK i hope they last a while

All iam after is better than standard & some pedal feel !

I dont wanna wear them out in a few wks & if the brake dust is less then thats a Bonus

Get back to me
Cheers
Graham

:D

Yeah Red Dot are decent, I'd say about the same as BD. I think Red Dot are made under Tar-ox.

Down to you and what prices you can get. I would suspect Red Dot are dearer, but that doesn't make BD inferior.

I was going to buy RedDot pads but was told that I had to upgrade the disc as it would wear them? Dunno if its true coz they are suppossed to be a similar compound to GreenStuff.

Pedal feel will be good, even better with the hoses.

BD & GS pads will give better brakes. I think I can guarantee that!

I had my BD discs for 2.5 yrs and about 6 trackdays, didn't wear, fade or warp. And I use my brakes!:cool:

Still got them now. Had them on the other week coz my big brakes developed a crack and failed the MOT so I sent them off to have new discs built onto the bells and while that was being done I put my BD discs back on, they were still smooth, even tho I had just wacked them on as it was temporary.

They had some abuse;
Tried RedStuff as they were supossed to be better on the track and last longer, they lasted 40mins on the track, they were crap!
You could feel the pedal going down as it shaved the pads away.
Anyway it ended up with sparks coming out of my wheels and the low pad metal tab thing flying off. I had gone right down to the pad backing plate, sounded like a train when braking, plus braked aswell as a train. Had to drive 200 miles from Bedford back home using just the handbrake!:cus:

The discs were all scored but they still ran fine and eventually smoothed out.

I complained to EBC, didn't get much response, they they released a new compound called V2.
I've seen a Celica use RedStuff and go down to the backing plate aswell!