"with a 5-litre V10 engine that’s the most powerful BMW have ever put in a road car. Which means, if you push the right buttons, a peak of 507bhp, and 520Nm of torque..."


*dies*


:twak:

but does it look anygood :irked:

Well it looks better than the 7 or the 6!

you can have as many bhp as you like, the thing will still be limited to 155mph, so a slightly breathed on 220 coupe turbo will still beat it :err:

you can have as many bhp as you like, the thing will still be limited to 155mph, so a slightly breathed on 220 coupe turbo will still beat it :err:

you do 155 that often eh?

well no but you get the idea :=p:

i suppose it's all down to acceleration really :cloud9:

i'd be interested to see some pics :dddc:

Well I could stick a V10 in a Rover 600 - and it'd be even faster :xmas:

Theres protoype pictures knocking around the internet, usually on google. I think it looks nice, always been a fan of the 5 series especially the M5.
Id also like to have ago in the new oddly named 535 Diesel. Looks a bit of alright that does :D

Regards

Stu C

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/images/06m5_1-1.jpg

looks cool in blue, much better than the standard model

realy have destroyed a very nice car imo

looks like its been screwed by a transformer. Hate it. Nice engine though. brilliant engineering

BMW certainly know how to put a car together properly :) Pic looks good although the one from the front looks better :D

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/0408_bmw_m5_back_h420.jpghttp://www.automobilemag.com/news/0408_bmw_m5_front_h420.jpghttp://www.automobilemag.com/news/0408_bmw_m5_engine_v200.jpg
few more pics

Oh my, look at that lump :drool:

see if you can get one Craig, we'll bung it in your car :D

So very business like............It screams...."come and have a go u sl4g"

MMMMMMMMMM LUSH!!!!!!!!!

see if you can get one Craig, we'll bung it in your car :D

Sounds good mate. Think we may have to extend the front end by about 5 foot?

Cant wait :hyper:

:yikes: i was wanting to like this car too :sick2:

Sorry Sorry Sorry. This car is completly Flawed.

The point of this kind of stuff is so that you can have a fast car and have some fuel economy. This car will be weighed down by the fact it probably weighs best part of nearly two tonnes. Thus fuel economy from the V10 highly tuned engine is going to be even less. And as its weighed down - its not going to be any where near as fast as a car that has the same engine in and has two seats.
Also it makes a crappy executive car because the suspension (as on any M-series -even Jeremey Clarkson has pointed out this) is so harsh - it feels like the car has wooden wheels - so a not very comftable drive.

It wont be as fun to drive as say an MG SV. Parts are going to be very very expensive. Insurance is going to be group 20.

The car is completly and utterly flawed :doh:

Oh yeah, and did I mention - the company that makes them is a lying, asset-stripping bunch of barstewards.

lol @ RR. It is flawed though - it's pig ugly! I thought that over time the flame-surfacing would grow on me, but it just hasn't.

Sure it'll be fast, but it's only the reason we need an X-Power ZT 500+ ;)

I actualy like the 640 cab :)

i so love the new 6 series beemer coupe! woah thats a car and a half! 4.5 v8 is extremely sexy. 19" rims too hehe

I think its a big improvement over the normal 5's. I loved the old M5, would love to own one, one day. This new one is a bit more visually challanging but its not all that bad. M5's are great cars -the old M5 was comfy enough (comfier than my car ride wise).

Gimme a ZT 500 anyday o the week. Limited to about 180mph should do the trick, or if your feeling cheeky limit it to 156mph just to hammer home the point :rocker: :D :s2h:

It's the attention to detail that hammers home this cars quality. The ECU has an M-Power badge on it, the engine is gorgeous, the manifolds make even the cylinder head look like the work of small elves with magical powers. In short, its a masterpiece on wheels as opposed to a German saloon car.

Images are massive so I'll just post links to save 56k users

ECU (http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/bmwm505_engine_management.jpg)

Cylinder head and manifold (http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/bmwm505_cylinder_head_02.jpg)

Awesome car.

0-124mph (200kph) in 15seconds. :cloud9:

XJR and MG ZT500 sounds smashingly goood!

No BMW for me, as I'm not a traitor :cool:

I think even the Rover V8 has a bigger top speed than this BMW :rotflmao: And will cost £30k less!

I really cant see this car selling - its going to be to pricey - and will be up against real Fast cars! Not just overweight german junk with a big engine shoved in.

whats wrong with it? its so nice, the build quality is superb, its a BMW.

Who cares what they did to Rover? Rover are still here arent they? at the end of the day, its business.

The old BMW M5 was up in the class of topping the 3200GT, come on, a car designed and built by Ferrari and the Germans are competing with them? BMW have my vote any day.

I would be so surprised if you had a BMW and a rover parked next to eachother, same cost for servicing, same performance but going on build quality and the engineering, would you really go for the Rover? not me!!

BMW treat their customers like royality which cannot be said about rover IN MY experiance.

Im not slating rover, i try and defend the brand when anyone has something to say about them, but you cant compare Rovers to BMW!!

Ben.

oh, jaguars, my dad had nothing but trouble from them ,two replacement cars and ending up sueing them. what came out, both cars had bent chasis' yes, they were brand new.

red_rover, I have read that the M5 has a de-restricted top-speed of 330 km/h.

It includes a lot of high tech, you can hardly compare it to a car with an old Ford engine. If you have a problem with BMW than that´s your problem - but as I suspect that you can´t afford such a car anyway it seems to be no problem for BMW.

There is no doubt that the new M5 will sell.

Ever heard of www.bmwlemons.com ?

The 1-series is ment to have so-so build quality.

Everything else in the range has Percieved build quality.

(Especially the models made in South Africa and USA)

Costs for servicing are no where near! My uncles old BMW 3-series cost a fortune to maintain, while my old 414 doesnt cost a penny, apart from once a year when it has the oil change and so on!

And *some* BMW dealerships might treat their customers like royalty - but BMW dont. The stories I've heard of people trying to reject cars and so on is horrifying.

And the Rover 75, the ZT all compare to the 3-series, and are better. The Rover LWB easily beats a 5-series in my opinon - in both comfort and interior room and build quality.

red_rover, you are happy with your old 414, other people will be happy with the new BMW M5. Live can be so easy ;)

No BMW for me, as I'm not a traitor :cool:




Eh! How can you be a traitor for buying a BMW, what poppeycock. If BMW made a car I liked and i wanted one, i would buy it. People have this hangup about what BMW did to Rover. Get over it, they are both businesses. Businesses do what is in their interest to make more profits. Pretty pointless not buying a car that you like just because some silly nationalistic pride which ultimately still wont help the company - but could see you left with a car which you never liked as much.

I have had 7 Rovers, i buy them for the car, not because they are british, but because I like the car. The only rover i would consider buying next would be a ZT V8, non of the other cars suit my preferences or needs. I am certainly not going to buy another Rover just to try and help the company out if i find a better car. Like most buyers I am buying a car for myself and am not associated with the company so thus will buy what best for my needs regardless of manufacturer.

Ever heard of www.bmwlemons.com ?

The 1-series is ment to have so-so build quality.

Everything else in the range has Percieved build quality.

(Especially the models made in South Africa and USA)

Costs for servicing are no where near! My uncles old BMW 3-series cost a fortune to maintain, while my old 414 doesnt cost a penny, apart from once a year when it has the oil change and so on!

And *some* BMW dealerships might treat their customers like royalty - but BMW dont. The stories I've heard of people trying to reject cars and so on is horrifying.

And the Rover 75, the ZT all compare to the 3-series, and are better. The Rover LWB easily beats a 5-series in my opinon - in both comfort and interior room and build quality.

what are you on about the cost of servicing against a 414?
I was speaking Hypothetically when looking at the BMW and the Rover. The reason the 414 doesnt cost much money is because its only a 414 where as a BMW is far more complex. People talk about the cost of BMW......and? people that can afford BMW service can afford it, if you cant dont buy one!

The rover 75 and zt in comparison to a 3sereis? are they? there not even in the same class, the rover 45 is in the 3s ereis class.

Have you been in a 5 sereis recently? ok, they are very minamilistic inside, but thats car fashion, things change, at least they can stand back and say 'we did it first' (although Audi did do the central navigation system first)

The stories you have HEARD i was talking from experiance, my dad had a 3& 5 sereis R reg when they first came out, BMW couldnt do enough for him and compare that against a rover we bought at the same time, well, thats another story.

Im not having ago, im just trying to get across that Rover and BMW both meet the needs to different people, the only real way to compare them would to take ownership of each for a few years to really get down to the nitty gritty!

Ben.

We will probably be comparing Rover and BMW for real when (if) the RD60 comes out though.

Imo

rover dealers treat us as though we owe them something

Bmw treat people as if they owe us something

Bmw are very good cars, my dad's previously owned 4 in a row, recently changing to the A4 for tax reasons. I am not a fan of the m5 (new one) its trying to be to luxurious for the speed it has, after my dad recently borrowed a similar car (merc s500) he said it wasn't even as fun as the tf :D

Saying this, I do admire them for the workmanship its top notch :)

Ey ey ey, I dont buy Rover just because they are british, far from it. I buy Rover because they are a fantastic company - where as BMW are nothing more than a company that made cruppycars and old Austin Se7ens. Then later to return to steal landrovers technology for 4x4 because they couldnt do it themselves (and when they have done - its shockingly poor , i.e the X3.)

The X3 build quality btw is ment to be less than average - this is even stated by Jezza Clarkson and a few of the auto mags.

BMW are just an over-hyped company, with average engineers. What they do have though is a fantastic PR group (if you look on www.ihatethebmwmini.org you will find out that bmw bought everywebsite name that has BMW and a negative word in the same sentence!

BMW has a lot of high tech features, such as lights that turn when you turn the steering wheel. Its not just a 1950's Citroen invitention. And I dont think the I-drive has had any positive reviews - the best being that its ok on the 5-series, but dire on the 7-series.

BMW? Pah.

Ey ey ey, I dont buy Rover just because they are british, far from it. I buy Rover because they are a fantastic company - where as BMW are nothing more than a company that made cruppycars and old Austin Se7ens. Then later to return to steal landrovers technology for 4x4 because they couldnt do it themselves (and when they have done - its shockingly poor , i.e the X3.)

The X3 build quality btw is ment to be less than average - this is even stated by Jezza Clarkson and a few of the auto mags.

BMW are just an over-hyped company, with average engineers. What they do have though is a fantastic PR group (if you look on www.ihatethebmwmini.org you will find out that bmw bought everywebsite name that has BMW and a negative word in the same sentence!

BMW has a lot of high tech features, such as lights that turn when you turn the steering wheel. Its not just a 1950's Citroen invitention. And I dont think the I-drive has had any positive reviews - the best being that its ok on the 5-series, but dire on the 7-series.

BMW? Pah.

are you forgetting the dire and $hite cars rover have made? what do you see more of in the scrapyards with no accident damage but just to old age, BMW's or Rovers? I think you already know the answer.

i would have to see rovers, nut how many were sold as apposed to a e30 or something????

the only fair way to do that is by a percentage and that is imposible :p

The dire and ****e cars Rover made?!

Well Ok - if you would like to name some :)

I for one would like to point out that when Rove released the P6, with all round disc brakes, high saftey equipment - and it being the first compact executive saloon in the world - BMW were still make the very very average 1500 and 1800 models - of very very little you see around today!


And I see more Rover R8 200/400's than I see equivilent aged BMW's. And like anyother steel - german steel does rust.

The only poorly build car was the SD1 series 1 - and that was'nt built by Rover, it was built by disgruntled Austin-Morris employees and whats now the LandRover factory.


So of course you're going to see more Rovers died of old age in the scrap yard - but you're going to see even more Fords, more vaxhalls - ok ok Il'll cut the story short- cars that outsold BMW in this country by the millions. That is why you will see more Rovers than BMW's in a scrap yard.

red_rover, you seem to know everything about cars and the industry, so how about some background informations.

You say that "BMW has average engineers". How many BMW engineers do you know? They have thousands, do you know them all personally? Have you shared your wisdom with them, I am sure that they can learn a lot from you?

You seem to know exactly what car the new M5 is. Have you driven it? Tell me more about it. As you know so much about the BMW engineers I have no doubt that - with your close contacts - you have been in Germany to drive it around the Autobahn.

You also seem to know the 5 and 7 series and the X3 very well. Share your driving experiences with us.

I am an engineer (not in the car industry), but obviously I can just learn from you. By the way, you wanted to give me the figures "how BMW earned billions with Rover" some months ago.

Who cares what they did to Rover? Rover are still here arent they? at the end of the day, its business.

Yeah, and thats what Nazi war criminals say about the Jewish!


I really do think BMW have average engineers. Name me one car that BMW has made that has has actually had an effect in the way our cars are today. Almost, if not all the other manufacturers have.

This new M5 isn't a technical revolution. BMW have not created a new segment in the car market. BMW has not conquered the heights of revolutionary engineering in this car.

I applaude MG Rover engineers for converting the Rover 75 into rear wheel drive from a car that was designed to have front wheel drive , and then make it into the best handling car in its class, with a budget of 37p. When BMW can do something similar or better, then I will applaude them. Untill then...


And with regards to BMW making billions - they did. If you look at the sums - they got land and buildings worth of excess of £1 billion, they sold landrover for a billion, they now have the Mini name which has to be worth in the excess of one billion. Oh and also they stole technology from LandRover before they sold it - which has to be worth near the £100M mark.

Yeah, and thats what Nazi war criminals say about the Jewish!


I really do think BMW have average engineers. Name me one car that BMW has made that has has actually had an effect in the way our cars are today. Almost, if not all the other manufacturers have.

This new M5 isn't a technical revolution. BMW have not created a new segment in the car market. BMW has not conquered the heights of revolutionary engineering in this car.

I applaude MG Rover engineers for converting the Rover 75 into rear wheel drive from a car that was designed to have front wheel drive , and then make it into the best handling car in its class, with a budget of 37p. When BMW can do something similar or better, then I will applaude them. Untill then...


And with regards to BMW making billions - they did. If you look at the sums - they got land and buildings worth of excess of £1 billion, they sold landrover for a billion, they now have the Mini name which has to be worth in the excess of one billion. Oh and also they stole technology from LandRover before they sold it - which has to be worth near the £100M mark.

please dont get into past times such as the Nazis and jews. Im jewish and by far you cant compare business to killing hundreds and thousands of people, your way out of your depth there, please dont go down that route.


This thread should be locked, i now find this abusive.

end of story.

Let's get back on topic :grouphug:

Personally I can't see how you couldn't like this car. It's by far the best looking BMW at the moment, compared to the other Chris Bangle monsters.

And that V10 engine is spectacular. Did anyone read the article in last month's evo about it? :drool: And someone is trying to say BMW have average engineers :rotflmao:

I'm starting to get a bit concerned by the opinions of some people on here, Rover don't make the best cars in the world and aren't the best/most profitable company either, I'm sure everyone on here wants MGR to do well but you have to be realistic otherwise you might find yourself being compared to the B*W drivers that some people dislike so much :wtf:

red_rover, I think you say that you are 18 years old. Considering what you are writing that is really noticeable.

What you think about BMW engineers is entertaining. You know nothing about them, so it´s really interesting what your imagination let you believe. But this point aside - as it leads to nothing - to the following:


And with regards to BMW making billions - they did. If you look at the sums - they got land and buildings worth of excess of £1 billion, they sold landrover for a billion, they now have the Mini name which has to be worth in the excess of one billion. Oh and also they stole technology from LandRover before they sold it - which has to be worth near the £100M mark.

Wow! So that´s the way business works. You are a mastermind. Simple example:

Buy something for £100 and sell it the next day for £10. In your logic you have earned £10. But in reality you lost £90...

The BMW costs for Rover have been in the area of 6 billion Euro, so maybe you should look at your sums again.

The M3 is pretty awesome too.

BMW engineering is ace, just like most German engineering. Just because we own rovers doesn't mean we are in love with them.

Most of them are built like crap, look at mk3s. Nice glovebox that you don't even need to open to see whats inside. :rolleyes:

This new M5 isn't a technical revolution. BMW have not created a new segment in the car market. BMW has not conquered the heights of revolutionary engineering in this car.

I applaude MG Rover engineers for converting the Rover 75 into rear wheel drive from a car that was designed to have front wheel drive , and then make it into the best handling car in its class, with a budget of 37p. When BMW can do something similar or better, then I will applaude them. Untill then...


7 speed gearbox is pretty new i would of said, So is the button that increase engine output when pressed to go into 'sport' mode.

I still prefer the old shape M5, and the one before that, and the one before that, come to think of it. Doubtless the new model will be very fast, but the shape doesn't look quite right, somehow. Can't imagine swapping the ZT for one, but can imagine getting some extra power when the warranty expires (and someone will insure me). Has the price been published for the new M5 yet? Surely it'll be quite a lot more than £60k, and that is just too much, IMHO.
:)

Most of them are built like crap, look at mk3s. Nice glovebox that you don't even need to open to see whats inside. :rolleyes:


that's not bad build quality si, it character :boxedin:

BMW M5...... What a car!!! my dad fancies one but he dosnt fancy the price tag :lol:

I love the new M5, and the previous M5s too.

The engineering must be pretty good, just look at the JD Power Survey:

Out of 120 cars:

8th - BMW 5-Series.
14th - BMW 3-Series.

http://www.whatcar.com/News_SpecialReport.asp?NA_ID=207800&EL_ID=3061018

And like any other steel - German steel does rust.Unless it's galvanised, such as that used on the Audi 80.

I really cant see this car selling - its going to be to pricey

Reading the Autocar road test I was remembering this sentence. Autocar says "When UK sales begin in May 2005, the 450-500 units BMW is planning to import each year won’t cover half the demand."

Obviously BMW can sell pricey cars, how astonishing :cool:

Oh and the m3 looked so good what the heck happened? we'll atleast the owner can drive away fast! ok dam fast!