Anyone come across these before?

http://product.auto.163.com/series/photo/2317.html

http://v.auto.163.com/video/2012/3/1/I/V7RI9UH1I.html

Really good review video above too, looks amazing in red and the interior looks good too - though the silver plastic trim looks very cheap.

That looks really really good! I much prefer that to, say, the Focus or Astra! It's a damn shame that this wasn't the car to relaunch MG

That IS really nice. I want one so bad!

nice, but by the time it gets over here it will look dated...just look at what Kia and Hyundai are doing now.

nice, but by the time it gets over here it will look dated...just look at what Kia and Hyundai are doing now.

Theres a new Hyundai that I keep seeing, maybe the i20, a really sporty looking version and its well sexy!!

styling i would describe as ok if a little mundane, not overly keen on the back, however its better than the MG3 which i am particlarly unimpressed with, take a Fabia which I hate styling wise add fiesta bumpers and the standard MG grille, and hey presto.

Interior looks to be coming along nicely but the rear end is still vile, will need work for Europe as it's just about on the current styling trends but will be old hat by the time it actually goes on sale...

Please please do something about the bootlid and rear bumper for Europe-spec cars!

Great pics, they really give a good idea to the details however they also puzzle me.

What's happened to the wheel arch liners?

Why have they gone back to having a key instead of that button fob on the 6?

Why have they gone back to a normal handbrake (hurrah) rather than that thing on the 6?

I loved the concept 5 but I'm no longer impressed at all with the 5 - the rear really ruins the exterior and the interior looks overly plastic although to be fair so do alot of new cars these days. The side & lower dash plastic looks exactly like the same rough plastic on the door pockets of Rover 200/25 and the door cards don't seem to fair much better. Even the Rover 25 had soft rubber like coated plastic on their door cards but these look coarse, brittle and cheap.

Apart from the handbrake they seem to have taken a step back from the 6 with the interior.

Not impressed Imo...

I can see the performance of the cars going up dramatically however appearance wise I can see MG going along with the general population of cars...

Such as small cars etc nothing unique

Which is a bit of a shame in my opinion

Just had a proper look at all the pics, very impressed, this could be on sale here today and it would fit in very well with the class (awaits plethora of nay sayers telling me it won't be here for 2 years....)

The plastics actually look very well finished but unfortunately the camera man has used a pretty intense flash on most pics and this is always a problem on textured finishes. Thats why most PR car interior shots are usually CGI!

I think this looks great and especially great in white.

three door, 1.8 litre turbo, manual, bigger wheels.

all of the above and i would buy one in a flash.

Even the Rover 25 had soft rubber like coated plastic on their door cards


Only the early ones.

Great pics, they really give a good idea to the details however they also puzzle me.

What's happened to the wheel arch liners?

Why have they gone back to having a key instead of that button fob on the 6?

Why have they gone back to a normal handbrake (hurrah) rather than that thing on the 6?

I loved the concept 5 but I'm no longer impressed at all with the 5 - the rear really ruins the exterior and the interior looks overly plastic although to be fair so do alot of new cars these days. The side & lower dash plastic looks exactly like the same rough plastic on the door pockets of Rover 200/25 and the door cards don't seem to fair much better. Even the Rover 25 had soft rubber like coated plastic on their door cards but these look coarse, brittle and cheap.

Apart from the handbrake they seem to have taken a step back from the 6 with the interior.

Bear in mind that its the Chinese spec and that the UK version may well get interior changes, like the 6 did.

Bear in mind that its the Chinese spec and that the UK version may well get interior changes, like the 6 did.

Has anyone suggested: that car needs bigger wheels? :rofl:

Actually, if there was one thing that MG Rover did, they knew the sports hatch segment really very well, and sold cars whos wheels filled the arches and look extremely purposeful. Even the "lowly" 1.4 looked as good as the 160 - bar a bit of body attenda and different style wheels. This was genius.

I hope that MG in the UK (and Europe eventually) can refocus their cars towards the enthusiast driver's market. That's where MG's niche lies. MGs have never been mass market, and perhaps if that is the market SAIC want to crack, it may be time to consider reviving one of the heritage brands. Morris might be neat, although with Longbridge being the production base, an Austin would be a better idea.

I know they won't do this, of course. Reestablishing MG is proving hard enough without trying to revive a long-dead brand - and it's very expensive. But in the long, long term? I think this is a better idea - better even than trying to launch Roewe over here.

Hmm - not sure where that tangent came from - sorry. Back to big wheels on the MG5... ;)

The 6 needs that front end! Not sure on the bonnet lines though

The 6 needs that front end! Not sure on the bonnet lines though

No it doesn't.

I really liked the concept pictures of the MG5 but that reminds me of a Vauxhall Corsa...

All I hope is that when they bring out the UK version it will look more like the concept. The chinese are limited to a 1.8 105bhp version, so I'm assuming the sportier one here will have a few changes.

I really liked the concept pictures of the MG5 but that reminds me of a Vauxhall Corsa...

All I hope is that when they bring out the UK version it will look more like the concept. The chinese are limited to a 1.8 105bhp version, so I'm assuming the sportier one here will have a few changes.

1.8 105? Where've you got that from?

"The Chinese market car will be driven by a 1.8-litre petrol engine producing around 105bhp. European versions will have a variety of engines, which MG desires will include no less than one diesel unit. It had previously already been recommended a range of downsized petrol engines between 1.0 and 1.5-litres and would be available, with power outputs ranging from 115bhp up to 162bhp."

http://www.europecarnews.com/2012/03/mg-mg5-official-pictures-released/

"The Chinese market car will be driven by a 1.8-litre petrol engine producing around 105bhp. European versions will have a variety of engines, which MG desires will include no less than one diesel unit. It had previously already been recommended a range of downsized petrol engines between 1.0 and 1.5-litres and would be available, with power outputs ranging from 115bhp up to 162bhp."

http://www.europecarnews.com/2012/03/mg-mg5-official-pictures-released/

Well it's wrong, the only engine at the moment is a nasp 1.5 and that produces more than 105 BHP.

Rubbish, I read it on the internet so it must be true. :rofl:

"The Chinese market car will be driven by a 1.8-litre petrol engine producing around 105bhp. European versions will have a variety of engines, which MG desires will include no less than one diesel unit. It had previously already been recommended a range of downsized petrol engines between 1.0 and 1.5-litres and would be available, with power outputs ranging from 115bhp up to 162bhp."

http://www.europecarnews.com/2012/03/mg-mg5-official-pictures-released/

hmm, not sure where that came from, the only 1.8 they have is the TCI engine and given its available out there as a 160bhp, without at turbo its either going to be 120 or 135, depending in the version they use.

I suspect someone's got their literage mixed up.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, as does the MG3. The brand needs a consistent "face" and the MG5 look is much more purposeful and modern than the current one on the MG6.

I've only just come across this thread (yes, I know, I'm rather slow!)

I was at Longbridge last week and in the tech/design area they had a very stunning full size clay model of the MG5. Everyone in our group was of the same opinion.....that it could be the car to rescue MG sales in this country. However, looking at the pics posted above, it bears little resemblance to the clay model, which is a great shame. The model looks like a more sleek and futuristic evolution of what is in the pics.

I want so very much for MG to succeed and do well in the UK and elsewhere, but am sorry to say that I can't see it happening in this country with the current variants of anything that is on offer, or coming along in the next year or two. I really do hope I'm wrong!

I've only just come across this thread (yes, I know, I'm rather slow!)

I was at Longbridge last week and in the tech/design area they had a very stunning full size clay model of the MG5. Everyone in our group was of the same opinion.....that it could be the car to rescue MG sales in this country. However, looking at the pics posted above, it bears little resemblance to the clay model, which is a great shame. The model looks like a more sleek and futuristic evolution of what is in the pics.

I want so very much for MG to succeed and do well in the UK and elsewhere, but am sorry to say that I can't see it happening in this country with the current variants of anything that is on offer, or coming along in the next year or two. I really do hope I'm wrong!

Was that possibly the 'concept 5' car you saw?

I've only just come across this thread (yes, I know, I'm rather slow!)

I was at Longbridge last week and in the tech/design area they had a very stunning full size clay model of the MG5. Everyone in our group was of the same opinion.....that it could be the car to rescue MG sales in this country. However, looking at the pics posted above, it bears little resemblance to the clay model, which is a great shame. The model looks like a more sleek and futuristic evolution of what is in the pics.

I want so very much for MG to succeed and do well in the UK and elsewhere, but am sorry to say that I can't see it happening in this country with the current variants of anything that is on offer, or coming along in the next year or two. I really do hope I'm wrong!

Mike, the one of the engineers in the tec center, told me that the 5 for the UK & Europe would be more sportingly styled than the China offerings & the same goes for the 3. for example restyled front and rear bumpers & a much better suspension set up with larger wheels. Lets wait and see before we pass jugement. The 3 is due Q1 next year so we should have some indication soon

Mike, the one of the engineers in the tec center, told me that the 5 for the UK & Europe would be more sportingly styled than the China offerings & the same goes for the 3. for example restyled front and rear bumpers & a much better suspension set up with larger wheels. Lets wait and see before we pass jugement. The 3 is due Q1 next year so we should have some indication soon

Interestingly Steve, the pics (link posted above somewhere) show the red MG5 with smaller wheels and the grey one with the larger wheels. The larger wheels imo make a very big difference to the appearance of the car (exactly the same with the MG6). They should do away with the smaller wheels completely as it really does detract from the rest of the car. I hope we do end up with one that looks like the clay model as I'd certainly look at one if I was in the market. MG have to really push the cars and get them in the public eye more. It will be interesting to see what the UK MG3 looks like :)

Was that possibly the 'concept 5' car you saw?
It would have been, yes.

I want a 3dr !!!!



Just thought i'd mention that, again. ;)

Once again the front end is an absolute pleasure - the rear is an absolute eye sore though - looks massive! Hopefully they will change it for the UK Spec...

Seen worse mate, its not that bad. ;)

Having seen the new A-Class pics recently I think the 5 has a similar side profile to that, quite low slung at the front and a rather bulbous back end.

Still like it though...

Mike, the one of the engineers in the tec center, told me that the 5 for the UK & Europe would be more sportingly styled than the China offerings & the same goes for the 3. for example restyled front and rear bumpers & a much better suspension set up with larger wheels. Lets wait and see before we pass jugement. The 3 is due Q1 next year so we should have some indication soon

If true there's still hope... the Concept5 rear was spot-on and I haven't heard of anyone who didn't like it... unlike the monstrosity of the Chinese production version.

What MG have to do isn't rocket science, just a case of the UK \ Europe team telling the Chinese stylists to shush and let them get on with making something that looks decent :p

Mc pherson strut gone ! back to horse and cart technology , the exhaust looks like a halfords bolt on . Did the designer fall asleep when designing the rear bumper ? the wheels look like 2005 civic wheels not very exciting really , Interior looks okay . remember the advert VW ran well the front end is a bit "looks like a Golf but isn't" . The Rover 25 looks more modern . I like MG as much as the next man but this one will only appeal to the older generation perhaps , I think that sleeker lower and give the wheel arches a bit of bulge and bigger rims lower tyre height. I know that i might get shot down in flames for this comment please don't i am new and its just my personal opinion.

Mc pherson strut gone ! back to horse and cart technology , the exhaust looks like a halfords bolt on . Did the designer fall asleep when designing the rear bumper ? the wheels look like 2005 civic wheels not very exciting really , Interior looks okay . remember the advert VW ran well the front end is a bit "looks like a Golf but isn't" . The Rover 25 looks more modern . I like MG as much as the next man but this one will only appeal to the older generation perhaps , I think that sleeker lower and give the wheel arches a bit of bulge and bigger rims lower tyre height. I know that i might get shot down in flames for this comment please don't i am new and its just my personal opinion.

I don't think they are fitting leaf springs to the MG5 even in China?

The roads in China are different to Europe hence the need for smaller wheels and larger tyres for better ride comfort.

You will find that the Euro version will get a lower suspension and larger wheels

I don't understand the reactions of some people on here, the 5 might not be "just" the way you want it, but why are so many people therefore trying to make out like it's the butt-ugliest car that has ever been created? when it's actually a very nice car all round and very comtemporary?

I just don't understand this kind of childish reaction "I don't quite like it therefore I shall throw a massive paddy and try to kill it dead in it's tracks"

FFS grown up people!

I don't understand the reactions of some people on here, the 5 might not be "just" the way you want it, but why are so many people therefore trying to make out like it's the butt-ugliest car that has ever been created? when it's actually a very nice car all round and very comtemporary?

I just don't understand this kind of childish reaction "I don't quite like it therefore I shall throw a massive paddy and try to kill it dead in it's tracks"

FFS grown up people!

Can you calm down a bit. I usually disagree with you, but normally it's pleasent to read. Chill. Out!

But even though i disagree with mg's new direction. I actually quite like the 5, it looks Agressive, give it a Agressive colour and it's spot on.

It's also worth pointing out that it hasn't even been released yet. They could change everything on the car before its released, they could also change nothing!

And McPherson struts arnt exactly cutting edge technology either. Plus there a pain to maintain :lol:

Yuk, yuk, yuk

Yuk, yuk, yuk

I like it, a well thought out response. :ss:

I don't think they are fitting leaf springs to the MG5 even in China?

The roads in China are different to Europe hence the need for smaller wheels and larger tyres for better ride comfort.

You will find that the Euro version will get a lower suspension and larger wheels
No not leaf springs lol! I meant the sperate ciol springs and shocks sort of early 90's hatchback set up.

No not leaf springs lol! I meant the sperate ciol springs and shocks sort of early 90's hatchback set up.

Do you know how many cars still run that?

Although it is a popular choice, due to its simplicity and low manufacturing cost, the design has a few disadvantages in the quality of ride and the handling of the car. Geometric analysis shows it cannot allow vertical movement of the wheel without some degree of either camber angle change, sideways movement, or both. It is not generally considered to give as good handling as a double wishbone suspension, because it allows the engineers less freedom to choose camber change and roll center.

I don't understand the reactions of some people on here, the 5 might not be "just" the way you want it, but why are so many people therefore trying to make out like it's the butt-ugliest car that has ever been created? when it's actually a very nice car all round and very comtemporary?

I just don't understand this kind of childish reaction "I don't quite like it therefore I shall throw a massive paddy and try to kill it dead in it's tracks"

FFS grown up people!
I did ask not to get shot down in flames. Its just my opinion doesn't make me childish just because i don't agree with you . Put it this way lets say you want to build a car and you build a few trial them out and the reaction you get from the public is negative are you going to waste millions making them only for them not to sell because you failed to listen to what your clients want ? Or are you going to take a mean average on opinions and possibly make changes to avoid a train wreck.

Yuk, yuk, yuk

I like it, a well thought out response. :ss:


TROLL !!!!!! :emps:

I did ask not to get shot down in flames. Its just my opinion doesn't make me childish just because i don't agree with you . Put it this way lets say you want to build a car and you build a few trial them out and the reaction you get from the public is negative are you going to waste millions making them only for them not to sell because you failed to listen to what your clients want ? Or are you going to take a mean average on opinions and possibly make changes to avoid a train wreck.

Sorry I was not having a go at anyone in particular :)

I don't think this site can be taken as an average view on matters sadly.

I'm sure clinics have been undertaken on these cars (as is usual) and the fact that cars like Astra/PUG308/Auris sell by the bucketload means that this car will have no problem finding buyers at all. Let's not forget, many people on here have nothing but warmth and fondness as they remember their early 2000's MG's and Rovers yet the rest of the world recoiled at the prospect of buying something that looked like it has just time travelled from 10 years in the past. In the end I think the opinion of the many MG/Rover fans on here was shown to be flawed because the company went bust as no-one else agreed that they were beautifully timeless and well constructed models.... ;)


Take the Auris - how many does that sell globally - I suspect a heck of a lot.

I know what you mean . I mean who would have though that Rover would have a following .... And actually at the time Rovers were very much under estimated and critised for the typical HGF . But 18 years later still running still in large numbers and not fallen apart yet. How many other jap cars from around the same era are still on the road? I have always liked MG's finishing touches to standard Rovers and just felt that the current small hatch offering was a little sparse . I mean take the 25 it was a nice car anyway but MG made it Sporty, fun and gave it the I WANT ONE! touch ,even TopGear when they tested it said that they would put their money on that car compared to the othe hot hatches around at the time and we all know they were one of the reasons Rover went down was because TopGear seemed to control the Hip or not button ( not hip enough in rovers case). Even now the MG ZR is still a modern looking car with very good handling and holds a good price. I just think that Roewe should make the standard car and then let MG UK go mental on it like they used to.

@James Riley... I think most sensible people know the limits of the MGR cars and their shortcomings. However the new MG is in a much higher quality market than 5-10 years ago and as you've mentioned above there's good standard cars already out there. Cars without a) Chinese stigma and b) the ghost of the recent past

Hence why MG have to offer something different... a cheap knockoff of a Hyundai won't cut it as you could just get... umm... a Hyundai!

As I see it the strengths MG need to play on is a) kit levels b) sporting heritage, basicalla more fun and high spec car than the competitors. For that reason they need to up their game styling wise. The MGR era MGs did have something special about them hence why they sold despite the old designs. SAIC need to recapture that unique MG feel but coupled with modern designs and technology.

As for MG easily finding loads of sales as it stands... nah...

@James Riley... I think most sensible people know the limits of the MGR cars and their shortcomings. However the new MG is in a much higher quality market than 5-10 years ago and as you've mentioned above there's good standard cars already out there. Cars without a) Chinese stigma and b) the ghost of the recent past

Hence why MG have to offer something different... a cheap knockoff of a Hyundai won't cut it as you could just get... umm... a Hyundai!

As I see it the strengths MG need to play on is a) kit levels b) sporting heritage, basicalla more fun and high spec car than the competitors. For that reason they need to up their game styling wise. The MGR era MGs did have something special about them hence why they sold despite the old designs. SAIC need to recapture that unique MG feel but coupled with modern designs and technology.

As for MG easily finding loads of sales as it stands... nah...

I agree, MG need to undercut the rivals by more than just a few hundred £. Hyundai and Kia are now IMO quite expensive and whereas when I bought a Kia Pro_C'eed a few years ago it was much cheaper than something else, now they are not and I wouldnt be in a mad rush to jump in feet first (despite being a great car). In that sense, MG have a window of opportunity to get buyers in. They can raise prices later on (just like Kia/Hyundai did)

In addition to a very competitive price, they need, as you say, marketing that plays on MG's historic strengths. People need to think that they will be seen to have a sporty, youthful car, even if the car isn't particularly sporty. It's more about image these days than actual sporting abilities (given how cramped the roads are, how expensive insurance is etc)

However, the need to deliver the sporty image in as classy a way as possible, when one considers the dog's dinner that was the Proton Satria Gti..........

However, the need to deliver the sporty image in as classy a way

Now if mg can achieve that, you'll have buyers queuing at the showroom.

In addition to a very competitive price, they need, as you say, marketing that plays on MG's historic strengths. People need to think that they will be seen to have a sporty, youthful car, even if the car isn't particularly sporty. It's more about image these days than actual sporting abilities (given how cramped the roads are, how expensive insurance is etc)

However, the need to deliver the sporty image in as classy a way as possible, when one considers the dog's dinner that was the Proton Satria Gti..........

Spot...on :D

If MG can keep the insurance bracket down like on the MG6 that's another USP they can use.

Personally if I were SAIC I'd be tapping up Huawei or someone similar to create a really top-notch in-car technology solution. Think of all the fuss Toyota have made with the Yaris for something that's not exactly ground-breaking and combine it with the spec list they're already offering on the MG6... that'll ignite some interest.

However it has to be done to higher quality than MG are currently... that means fitting hi-res screens, capacitative touch, solid control buttons and investing in quality UI design. Again some may say that costs money but SAIC have direct access to the Chinese component market... surely that has to offer them an advantage?

Sporty, high spec, low running costs... that's a winner in my eyes...

No not leaf springs lol! I meant the sperate ciol springs and shocks sort of early 90's hatchback set up.
Do you mean seperate coil springs and shocks as used by modern cars like the MG6?

http://car.southcn.com/7/images/attachement/jpg/site4/20120529/88/1851629280836214740.jpg

It simply makes it easier to put together than if they are concentric and allows you to have springs and dampers different lengths, still works the same.

(Interesting fuel tank on that car - it's the 1.5 NSE with 317Nm of torque ;))

Spot...on :D



Personally if I were SAIC I'd be tapping up Huawei or someone similar to create a really top-notch in-car technology solution. ...

Havent they already done this with their "android" in-car operating system on the Roewe cars? They need to bring that here though as the west like that sort of thing!

Havent they already done this with their "android" in-car operating system on the Roewe cars? They need to bring that here though as the west like that sort of thing!
Yes, the MG5 has an advanced version of the Roewe Android system with larger screen and enhanced voice control - it's been entertaining all the journalists reviewing the MG5 with its jokes and unexpected responses!

Do you mean seperate coil springs and shocks as used by modern cars like the MG6?

http://car.southcn.com/7/images/attachement/jpg/site4/20120529/88/1851629280836214740.jpg

It simply makes it easier to put together than if they are concentric and allows you to have springs and dampers different lengths, still works the same.

(Interesting fuel tank on that car - it's the 1.5 NSE with 317Nm of torque ;))

Alot of torque from a 1.5!

I was thinking that myself, turn the earth the wrong way that lol.

I was thinking that myself, turn the earth the wrong way that lol.
I guess it is quite highly geared so the result is about normal but I'm also wondering where exactly they are measuring the torque. Maybe the more interesting figure is the claimed 94mpg :)

http://car.southcn.com/7/images/attachement/jpg/site4/20120529/88/1851629280836214740.jpg

(Interesting fuel tank on that car - it's the 1.5 NSE with 317Nm of torque ;))

Well, its a fuel container, but I wouldn't call it a tank....

If you zoom right in you can see the turret steve ;)

If you zoom right in you can see the turret steve ;)
I think the suspension turret is off the top of the image :confused:


http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/Balloon-Tank.jpg

tank:

1.A large receptacle or storage chamber, esp. for liquid or gas
2.The container holding the fuel supply in a motor vehicle
3.A receptacle with transparent sides in which to keep fish; an aquarium
4.A heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track

Thats almost as good a Bull-oon off the old Wife Beater adverts lol. :lol:

I guess it is quite highly geared so the result is about normal but I'm also wondering where exactly they are measuring the torque. Maybe the more interesting figure is the claimed 94mpg :)

Is it diesel hybrid electric? Would explain the torque.

Is it diesel hybrid electric? Would explain the torque.
No, it is the 1.5 NSE Petrol, however it has an electric transmission which can use power from the engine or batteries or both so the torque figure is for the output from the electric motor, guess it must have some additional gearing though. After an overnight charge it gives a 50Km range on the batteries before the engine needs to start.

Needs a 3dr model!!!!!!
Some Arch filling wheels!
And some serious OOMF to go with them sexy aggressive looks! This looks like it should be the real replacement to the ZR not that crappy tall and skinny MG3 thing!

this thing looks like it could eat fast country roads for breakfast and its not even here yet!

And if MG fail this car I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone dropped a T16 into it lol!

But I think, if MG pull this car off and make a nice sporty 3dr model, I might have found a suitable replacement for my ZR!

I say replacement, I should say a suitable room mate. They can share the drive/garage together lol


EDIT: Having done some more research and finding out it has a torsion bars on its ass I am a little disappointed, I hope to hell the UK MG fixes this... Else I imagine it will be out handled by DaddyZR.... Although I doubt it would be long untill someone made ZR suspension fit or coilies or something...

Needs a 3dr model!!!!!!
Some Arch filling wheels!
And some serious OOMF to go with them sexy aggressive looks! This looks like it should be the real replacement to the ZR not that crappy tall and skinny MG3 thing!

this thing looks like it could eat fast country roads for breakfast and its not even here yet!

And if MG fail this car I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone dropped a T16 into it lol!

But I think, if MG pull this car off and make a nice sporty 3dr model, I might have found a suitable replacement for my ZR!

I say replacement, I should say a suitable room mate. They can share the drive/garage together lol


EDIT: Having done some more research and finding out it has a torsion bars on its ass I am a little disappointed, I hope to hell the UK MG fixes this... Else I imagine it will be out handled by DaddyZR.... Although I doubt it would be long untill someone made ZR suspension fit or coilies or something...

Zr has beam rear suspension. Zs is independent rear.

EDIT: Having done some more research and finding out it has a torsion bars on its ass I am a little disappointed, I hope to hell the UK MG fixes this... Else I imagine it will be out handled by DaddyZR.... Although I doubt it would be long untill someone made ZR suspension fit or coilies or something...
It's not a true torsion bar suspension as it has coil springs. The rear suspension is not much different to the ZR except that the springs and dampers are not concentric, I imagine that once it is tuned for the UK it will handle slightly better than the ZR. It won't compete with the ZS though as it can't control the wheel camber with suspension movement.

http://img.cheshi-img.com/product/1_720/p/26600/26698/4f77ce0f30e85.jpg

Fastest FWD production car round the Nurburgring has torsion beam, so i wouldn't get too hung up on it.

Why the hell would you want a T-16 in it ? :dunno:


Its not got much DNA in common to fit one either, if you want 200BHP you might as well fit a V-Tec engine.

Yes the MG3 is tall and skinny but so is the Fabia VRS and thats no slouch.

Why the hell would you want a T-16 in it ? :dunno:


Dunno.. people trying to keep some sort of heritage? Lol

Personally I think that this rear end from the Roewe 350HB works so much better..

http://www.mguk.org/gallery/Cars/Roewe-350/Roewe-350-Hatchback-pic_153.htm

Cheers..

Personally I think that this rear end from the Roewe 350HB works so much better..

http://www.mguk.org/gallery/Cars/Roewe-350/Roewe-350-Hatchback-pic_153.htm

Cheers..
I think the tourer version is still in the pipeline, although they are not that popular in China so it may be some time yet with the current Euro situation.

I think the tourer version is still in the pipeline, although they are not that popular in China so it may be some time yet with the current Euro situation.

The problem is that whilst the design may be current, give it a few years and it'll be old hat.

Cheers..

Personally I think that this rear end from the Roewe 350HB works so much better..

http://www.mguk.org/gallery/Cars/Roewe-350/Roewe-350-Hatchback-pic_153.htm

Cheers..

I do like that... It's not as sporty looking as the 5 but it looks more luxury.

SAIC should bring back Rover too (or bring Roewe over here as a replacement, then MG can go back to being sporty models of their cars :) )

Then they can do both luxury and sporty, and hit 2 markets with 1 stone!

Personally I think that this rear end from the Roewe 350HB works so much better..

http://www.mguk.org/gallery/Cars/Roewe-350/Roewe-350-Hatchback-pic_153.htm

Cheers..

Yup agreed, much tidier and has more of a quality look to it. Could easily be achievable if you mix it with the Concept5 rear end I reckon

SAIC should bring back Rover too (or bring Roewe over here as a replacement, then MG can go back to being sporty models of their cars :) )

Then they can do both luxury and sporty, and hit 2 markets with 1 stone!


SIAC have nothing to do with ROVER pal, that name is owned by JAGUAR/LAND ROVER (TATA) so there could possibly be some in the future as there is no current 'super mini' or 'small hatch' in the Jag range, perhaps they could bring ROVER back in order to fill a gap in there model range, might be dreaming though.

SIAC have nothing to do with ROVER pal, that name is owned by JAGUAR/LAND ROVER (TATA) so there could possibly be some in the future as there is no current 'super mini' or 'small hatch' in the Jag range, perhaps they could bring ROVER back in order to fill a gap in there model range, might be dreaming though.

Have to say, now more than ever, with JLR's profits going skyward (cosiderably more profitable than BMW given how many units BMW shift) this is the best time for JLR to widen their appeal by the use of the Rover brand without tarnishing the Jag or LR brands in the process.

There is definitely room for them to become more mainstream and clearly using Jag or LR is NOT the way to do it. I suspect, very strongly, that TATA will use Rover at some time in the future for a number of reasons:

1) Using the TATA brand will be difficult, it has no image and attempting to emphasise links with JLR will harm JLR more than it will do TATA good.

2) JLR has an increasingly strong image and could now bestow some of that positive image on Rover which rather than be seen to be a old hat dead brand, could instead be perceived to be a quality JLR family product. This would seriously breathe new life into Rover and I don't think, given the crest that JLR is riding, would harm them at all.

3) The small car market is clearly the way the world is going, look at the latest SMMT stats that back this up and predict even more growth. JLR and Jag will never have a "small" car, they do not fit the brands and would harm them. However, an exciting, well designed car for the segment with a Rover badge - linking it to LR indirectly (kinda the same way MINI has been to BMW) would be a logical way to fill that gap.

There was a time where ROVER ment a reasonably priced quality car with lots of chrome and wood, there appeal will be wide as there are many people over many ages who had owned or know somone who has owned a ROVER and had a good experience. :D

However if Rover was to be reborn by JLR, I don't think JLR and SAIC would be interested in working together to do what MGR used to do the whole luxury/sporty varients of the same car...

Would be awesome if they did though, but that would involve sharing designs and such...

Perhaps SAIC could just bring Roewe over here in replacement of Rover? We could still call them MGRs then too lol

I heard jag are planning a small car, but i suspect that would carry the jag name

However if Rover was to be reborn by JLR, I don't think JLR and SAIC would be interested in working together to do what MGR used to do the whole luxury/sporty varients of the same car.



MG-ROVER only did that due to money reasons, bit pointless doing it now, MG will prob be doing 'Hot' versions of there cars to cover that part of the market, probably under the 888 badge, theres already been some pics of a suped up MG6. :broon:

MG-ROVER only did that due to money reasons, bit pointless doing it now, MG will prob be doing 'Hot' versions of there cars to cover that part of the market, probably under the 888 badge, theres already been some pics of a suped up MG6. :broon:

Seems to work well for the VAG group :dunno:

Bit pointless trying to get JLR to do a deal over the ROVER brand to sticker up the new MG's is what I ment.

Is it just me but does anyone else think the 2013 Renault Clio sport resembles the MG5 ?

yeah guess so, but to be honest most euro targeted boxes look the same to me.

Is it just me but does anyone else think the 2013 Renault Clio sport resembles the MG5 ?

Front end looks rather similar, a bit of a mix of the old MG6 front (the old Corsa style coloured strip above the badge) mixed with the meaner headlights and large central badge-into-bonnet look of the MG5

http://cdn3.worldcarfans.co/2012/6/12/big/6706924741063340326.jpg

Rear end not so much, more classic Clio influenced I think.

What this kinda proves again is that the MG5, if released now would be pretty much on trend (if the awful rear end is fixed up) but waiting 2 years as SAIC seem to suggest it'll look old hat as this Clio will be mid-cycle by then and getting a facelift...

Front end looks rather similar, a bit of a mix of the old MG6 front (the old Corsa style coloured strip above the badge) mixed with the meaner headlights and large central badge-into-bonnet look of the MG5

http://cdn3.worldcarfans.co/2012/6/12/big/6706924741063340326.jpg

Rear end not so much, more classic Clio influenced I think.

What this kinda proves again is that the MG5, if released now would be pretty much on trend (if the awful rear end is fixed up) but waiting 2 years as SAIC seem to suggest it'll look old hat as this Clio will be mid-cycle by then and getting a facelift...

The Clio is being launched in 2013 , and I thought the MG5 was being launched then also but last quarter, but agree that if it comes after the most comments will be they copied the Clio , even though it will have been launched 18 months earlier in China!

Nice to see the Classic Clio shape is still there. :broon:

http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/MG5.jpg

latest pic of the MG 5 looks like it has spoilers and the seats have red centre inserts.

Some nice red brake would finish it off a treat

Cant wait for this. Very tempted to get one early 2014 when, hopefully, the new range of engines will be available. 1.5 turbo ftw!

Oooo, thats looking a bit tasty now ! :D

I like the front splitters but the sideskirts look a bit tacked on, if they didn't go up at the sides they'd be fine.

The sideskirts look wrong, it's the crease it's too close to the swage line. If it was plain it would work

Those skirts look like cheap tat you'd get from Ripspeed & co. The Chinese can't design body kits for toffee, let the UK guys sort out something more subtle and fitting for the car.

Are there any photos of the back of this sports version?

Can't believe this is going to take over 2 years to release though, MG need it now.

Jesus .. That bodykit looks a bit erm like an afterthought. My Lancia Delta Turbo in the 1980's had sideskirts that looked like they belong better than that, and they looked stuck on. The Chinese sure do have a different take on what is normal these days in car styling. It looks like they have been inspired by a 1980's Richard Grant Bodykit catalogue.

I wonder the back end still looks like as interesting as the normal model.

http://cc3.cache.cdqss.com/tuan/2012_09/ed37d614cd3741a2d4e1686560ef638e.jpg

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Hmmmm, Im not normally one for negative comments on here but I agree with the comments about the skirts and the kit! It looks awful. I hope it looks nothing like that when (if) it finally makes it to the UK.

http://cc2.cache.cdqss.com/tuan/2012_09/f40cfb2745a2cc622fc54ba5e4fc2cd3.jpg

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^^ Looks a bit better there! Apart from the crappy graphics!

http://image.bitauto.com/dealer/news/901195/8df2d707-6f52-450e-bfc0-cc6b3e0fd4c5.jpg

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Why are there no pictures of the rear end so that we can see if they added any spoilers to the back or added a different rear diffuser?

Cheers..

http://images.yescar.cn/news/102/201203/2012032718470564060_nm.jpg

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Still looks like a baboons arse from the back then.:hollie:

That's a pic of a different car though?

Concept5 rear end... now ;)

http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg

http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/mg5-turbo-china-2-458x257.jpg

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It's still the best looking in the range. Not hard mind but still.
But it's still Chinese no matter how much saic supports say it isnt

Concept 5 rear end... now ;)
http://cdnlive.cardesignnews.com/shanghai/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mg-concept-5.jpg

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http://e-carbuyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/MG-Concept-5-02.jpg

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Now that's what I'm talking about :D

My god they are capable of making it look good. So the question has to be why launch it looking like it did. As it has all the making of being a really stylish car, then you see the rear end of it and its as appealing as a horses arse to look at.

http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg

http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/mg5-turbo-china-2-458x257.jpg

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Actually quite like that. Looks really aggresive, I hope they make the rear end like the concept shots!

Just an observation... is the white paint used here different to the white used on the MG6?

http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg

http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/mg5-turbo-china-2-458x257.jpg

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Really like that as above look really aggressive how it goes as quick as it looks.

Just an observation... is the white paint used here different to the white used on the MG6?
It seems unlikely, but the MG5 does come from Nanjing Pukou while the MG6 and MG3 come from Shanghai Lingang so do use different paintshops and possibly different paint systems. Of course when the British ones arrive there is the possibility that they may be painted at the Longbridge paintshop using a totaly different white.

It seems unlikely, but the MG5 does come from Nanjing Pukou while the MG6 and MG3 come from Shanghai Lingang so do use different paintshops and possibly different paint systems. Of course when the British ones arrive there is the possibility that they may be painted at the Longbridge paintshop using a totaly different white.

Thanks for the response on that one, I know it was an odd observation!

btw, where did you find these images?

btw, where did you find these images?

http://www.thaieasyfly.com/th/images/visa/china-move.gif
(http://www.baidu.com/)

http://www.thaieasyfly.com/th/images/visa/china-move.gif
(http://www.baidu.com/)

I don't suppose you could pop over a link?
Keen to see what they've done on the rear for this one.

I don't suppose you could pop over a link?
Keen to see what they've done on the rear for this one.
I guess you didn't click the flag...

None of these images are of the final UK car, nobody has seen that yet, probably not even the designers! The bodykits are mainly from "tuning places" in China, I think even the one labled "SAIC Design" is actually an aftermarket bodykit and it would probably not be legal for them to sell it as OEM in the UK. They have said that the UK MG3 will look more like the Zero Concept than the Chinese MG3, hopefully the same will be true of the MG5 and the Concept 5 but so far nobody outside SAIC/MG knows and probably nobody inside SAIC/MG has made a final decision yet.

No harm in looking at the pictures though and letting MG know what the customers do/don't want...

The main thing I'm not keen on is the rear door frame and the kick up at the back it reminds me too much of an auris.

An estate MG5 would look nice at it could finish of the back end nicely.

The main thing I'm not keen on is the rear door frame and the kick up at the back it reminds me too much of an auris.

An estate MG5 would look nice at it could finish of the back end nicely.
http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1913/20/60/23/album/roewe_21.jpg

http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1913/20/60/23/album/roewe_20.jpg

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I like that idea, works in the same way the new Focus estate is miles better looking than the hatch.

Note to MG, all the nice concept design put the number plate in the bumper, remember this when you start the Europe upgrades on the China MG5 base ;)

^^ Looks a bit better there! Apart from the crappy graphics!


Liking that one myself mate, not a big fan of white cars but its looking good in that colour. :broon:







Still looks like a baboons arse from the back then.:hollie:



LOL, you won't see that when your driving it. :lol:







http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg





I'd have that tomorrow, just needs slightly bigget rims. :broon:

Shame it won't be here for bloody years

yeah it's a real shame that by the time we get it the car will look out of date, it's only just current now and looking at other manufactures 2013 MG will be hard pushed to sell this.

I'd have that tomorrow, just needs slightly bigget rims. :broon:

Totally agree with you, it would finish it off nicely.

The chinese don't seem to like big rims!

I think MG should be engineering the cars for Europe and china at the same time, then it will give the brand more creditability in both markets as China will be getting a car on sale in Europe and Europe won't be getting a 're-engineered' version of a chineese car 2/3 years later.



With the new Golf launching in November the 5 is going to have its work cut out.


If they did make a premium looking estate I would problay get one, I won't buy the MG5 how it looks at the minute though. Hyundai have done it with the i40 & i30 so I can't see why SAIC can't do it.

Yeah we've all been saying that. Apparantly the uk designs the cars and then redesigns them for the home market. Or china designs the cars then the uk facelifts them.

Totally agree with you, it would finish it off nicely.

The chinese don't seem to like big rims!


Sod it, we'll mod the bugger, just find out what fitment and PDC they are and were laughin', never know, might be re-tooled MG-ROVER fitments, be great if they were ZT ! :D

Sod it, we'll mod the bugger, just find out what fitment and PDC they are and were laughin', never know, might be re-tooled MG-ROVER fitments, be great if they were ZT ! :D

Definately!
Nice 18" 11 spokes would look pretty tasty.

I just hope they release it sooner rather than later.

I think MG needs a range quickly before the dealer networks fade out. Give them something to work with.

Propspective buyer feedback: "make it look more sporty. A bit of a bodykit would be great to capture some of the MG heritage"

MG Design team manager: "there's some MDF lying around in that shed round the back. Paint it up and bolt that on the side and we'll call it a bodykit"

But thats the Longbridge way lol. :lol:

Propspective buyer feedback: "make it look more sporty. A bit of a bodykit would be great to capture some of the MG heritage"

MG Design team manager: "there's some MDF lying around in that shed round the back. Paint it up and bolt that on the side and we'll call it a bodykit"

That's not far off what they did in China by the looks of things from the photos we saw a while back... there were a couple of Chinese guys in the back of one of the dealers, a big pot of fiberglass and an MG6 to play with. No doubt some Tiger Seal and woodscrews were available to fit it to the car with at the end as well ;)

Nice to see the Classic Clio shape is still there. :broon:

You regard that shape to be "classic"?

I'd forgotten the Clio even existed post MK3

It follws the design from the previous model.

http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg

I'd buy that with some 17's on there. A set of White 11 spokes would look sweet on that, with of course, big red calipers.

Looks angry, defo potential there for a great looking motor. :D

As long as I could take the stupid stickers off. Yeah that's the car they should have launched first. It certainly is the best looking.

Look like DRL's on the lower lip.

Look like DRL's on the lower lip.

well spotted, hadn't noticed before.

I can smell LED's at 50 paces lol. :lol:

I can smell LED's at 50 paces lol. :lol:

You have no choice but smell as they've made you go blind, that and HIDs :dddc:

You have no choice but smell as they've made you go blind, that and HIDs :dddc:


Epic green headlights have been known to cause blindness in scousers :lecture:

Just as well i'm not Scouse then isn't you Manc nob. :dddc:




You have no choice but smell as they've made you go blind, that and HIDs :dddc:


As RicWin said, Green HID's didn't help. :facepalm:

http://www.sichuancar.com/uploads/allimg/120927/4_120927155422_1.jpg

http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/mg5-turbo-china-2-458x257.jpg

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Yum. id buy that.

Yum. id buy that.

Ditto, proper size alloys and 180 plus brake and Im in.

Without the stickers though.

Not sure if I mentioned that