Am I the only one that is sick to death of hearing all this depressin news from the media! I know that MG Rover being bought as a whole company and production of the same volume as before is basically impossible but I wish that the media would comment on the optimism that should be given for someone who might buy MG!

I feel as sad as anyone because of recent events with MGR but I REALLY think that MG will be saved! Whether TVR buy it or this Powertrain bid is successful or anything really, as long as MG is saved or a large part of the group keeps going then I am happy. I don't mean that I don't want MGR to keep going but it is unlikely that its gonna happen.

Just a quick question as well, I've read that MGR are in something like £1.6 billion in debt but if only MG was bought by say TVR and they switched production to Longbridge, would any of the debts still be carried over?

MG Rover Group Limited are £1.6bn in debt, or at least are rumored to be. What we do not know however, is how much of that money is owed to other companies within Pheonix Venture Holdings, such as PowerTrain Limited.

I too am sick of all the bad news, but it is unfortunate that the press are not interested in anything that gets in the way of a good story, and in the case of MG Rover, anything that allows cars to role off the Longbridge production lines in the future would get in the way of their story of discrediting John Towers.

What annoys me more, is that five years ago, BMW were seen as the enemy by the press, yet today the press see the £1bn(!) given to MG Rover in 2000 as a gift which the British company wasted, forgetting what really happened, but again, the press dont want to discredit BMW do they.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story? Incidentally did anyone see a copy of today's Sun newspaper? The front page picture was a hoax actually dreamt up by The Sun themselves!!!!!!!! Obviously it was a slow day for news, so they had to make their own???????:err: :wtf: :wtf:

Another 'exclusive' from the Wapping Liar?

Yesterdays express and stars front page headline (or was it, think it was)

Rover sales down for May

Only 150 odd cars sold

Well dur it wasnt gonna be the best month ever

ive always said that i belive that the british media should shoulder some of the blame of MGR dying! iam not just on about clarkson and co, but all the other british motoring media.

Iam not saying that MGR products were the best in the country, However on a price for price level MGR cars i belive were value for money.

Next time you someone driving around town in a Hyundai/Kia/Perodura/Tata/suzuki, remember these are the people that could have saved MGR, but decided to invest in high depriciating, tacky, poor quality feel, and mechanical blandness cars.

its a shame to see whats happend in the last 2 months, and i really hope something can be sorted out, because i think my streetwise is the best car ive owned. and no poxy little far eastern "economy" car will ever come close.

You were two generations behind in Automotive engineering. You couldn't produce a more powerful V6 because the engine would break everytime your tried. The V8 had a VERY small market, the Diesel was too slow.

You tried to sell the Cityrover at a insane mark up that just wasn't going to sell. I belive non of you high comand even drove the comperstion to see how it stacked up.

Frankly, you stood no Bloody chance, your cars where old and un-sexy. MG was cool brand and you can see WHY major players now want it. Put an MG badge on a rotting heap of Automotive crap...........and a que formed to buy it!

Just imagine how many your sell if its a brand new car ( i mean BRAND NEW!) engineered by VAG or Honda.
Mega

You were two generations behind in Automotive engineering. You couldn't produce a more powerful V6 because the engine would break everytime your tried. The V8 had a VERY small market, the Diesel was too slow.

You tried to sell the Cityrover at a insane mark up that just wasn't going to sell. I belive non of you high comand even drove the comperstion to see how it stacked up.

Frankly, you stood no Bloody chance, your cars where old and un-sexy. MG was cool brand and you can see WHY major players now want it. Put an MG badge on a rotting heap of Automotive crap...........and a que formed to buy it!

Just imagine how many your sell if its a brand new car ( i mean BRAND NEW!) engineered by VAG or Honda.
Mega

Oh shut up you ill informed fool.

You know the K-Series and KV-Series engines are the envy of all manufacturers, technology used in their manufacture is licenced to Jaguar and Aston Martin. You know the L-Series diesel is one of the most reliable car engines in the world. You know the BMW diesel is limited in performance to prevent excessive competition for BMW cars. You know all V8s' have a small market. You know V8 cars turn a big profit. You know the Rover 45 is everybit as advanced as a Focus. You know the Rover 25 is a better car than the Fiesta or Polo. You know the MGs' were brilliant handling cars. You know the MG ZS may well be the best handling front wheel drive car ever built. You know the CityRover is a fairly decent car*. You know your a ****.

* I've offered to buy one from the administrators.

P.S - You failed to answer my last question, but please, how much do VAG pay you every time you mention that bloody stupid foreign company on this website.

Just a quick question as well, I've read that MGR are in something like £1.6 billion in debt but if only MG was bought by say TVR and they switched production to Longbridge, would any of the debts still be carried over?

Well TVR are not going to go for any deal which lands them £1.6 billion in debt are they? So any deal would involve buying the MG name, and thats it really.

You could say the same about the Skoda Octavia...

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Next time you someone driving around town in a Hyundai/Kia/Perodura/Tata/suzuki, remember these are the people that could have saved MGR, but decided to invest in high depriciating, tacky, poor quality feel, and mechanical blandness cars.


I can't see how you can make out this is a bad decesion on their part! If they had bought MGR what would they be left with now? You cant criticise them.

Very good value for what you get, BMW drivers would have to pay another £10,000 to get a 3 series that could match the vRS Pace/trim. Also Skoda came in 2nd in the R D Power, just and i mean just behind Lexus.

Mega

Very good value for what you get, BMW drivers would have to pay another £10,000 to get a 3 series that could match the vRS Pace/trim. Also Skoda came in 2nd in the R D Power, just and i mean just behind Lexus.

Mega

It's JD Power you fool. J isn't even close to R on a keyboard, so clearly not a typo.

Are you secretly Pishtrousers in disguise ?

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

Even now a few of you seem to cling to the idea that MGR is about to be re-born and Longbridge is going to re-start production............Bul*****!!!!!!

Powertrain might, but only for a time to finish off Landrover project. Longbridge?.............You can do it when you B&Q it!
Mega

Best hope?
Mg Re-born..with the Help of Honda...........NOT AT LONGBRIDGE!
Mega

MY vRS puts out 210-215 BHP and its go an eletronic DIFF that kills Toque steer.
Mega

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

Even now a few of you seem to cling to the idea that MGR is about to be re-born and Longbridge is going to re-start production............Bul*****!!!!!!

Powertrain might, but only for a time to finish off Landrover project. Longbridge?.............You can do it when you B&Q it!
Mega

Mega. When did BMW stop building the Rover 100 ?

:rotflmao:

Not Bitiching....................Just Laughing

You know the MG ZS may well be the best handling front wheel drive car ever built.

I suggest you retract that comment. :err:

You were two generations behind in Automotive engineering.

like the VW Passat and Ford Focus or their engines? Also, how did VW survive on the clearly ancient Golf IV and its spin-offs for so long?

I told you they go bust, i told you that they go bust at the end of last year. They didn't because they screwed the books (Fact).

I spent the last 4 years asking the "Hard Questions"....and getting fluffy tales about "Dunkirk sprit" and other Bull like that. No one could give me a stright honest answer to WHERE they would get the cash (1-2 billion per car) from.

I was right

I told you they go bust, i told you that they go bust at the end of last year. They didn't because they screwed the books (Fact).


Evidence - You need evidence to support your libelous comment. PwC have commented today that they have witnessed no financial irregularities in the accounts of MG Rover and the other companies in administration.

I find myself in the odd situation of agreeing with Mega!

Without huge funding MGR were doomed.

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

Even if true its only becaause they last and are reliable. Why get a Skoda or something if you have to replace it in a few years :lol:

I find myself in the odd situation of agreeing with Mega!

Without huge funding MGR were doomed.

I agree with you that funding was and is necessary but will point out that partnerships were and still are possible.

That doesn't add up to doomed in my book, which means I can keep up my 100% record of disagreement with Mega!

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

This doesn't stack up. If we're all itching to buy German or Japanese cars, why don't we buy 5/10/15/20 year old versions of them? Answer? We don't want them!

Speaking personally, I wonder when VAG are going to stop trading on their percieved quality and reliability - reality and perception are very different for the numerous people I know with tedious electrical gremlins on their early 2000s Golfs and Passats...

MY vRS puts out 210-215 BHP and its go an eletronic DIFF that kills Toque steer.
Mega

I have a chassis that doesn't need dumb electronic tricks, so how about that buddy. Your EDL is complete ******** and is for VAG cars whose chassis can't handle the power their engines allegedly put out. That's why there's all that electronics to kill the power, including traction control. My car doesn't have that either. With the ZS it's down to the driver. If I want to drive like a loony and kill myself there's no "nanny state car" to get in my way...


Alan, getting back to your original point, I know exactly what you mean. I;m sick of bad news too. For some reason I found the whole start of 2005 pretty miserable, then a poor chap related to the family decided to kill himself back in April at the age of about 32. In an effort to get away from it all, me and my gf decided to have a long weekend in Northumberland. On the way up there the news broke that MGR had gone tits up. Maybe I'm "sad" but it completely ruined the whole holiday...

The Nano second BMW pulled out it was all over for Rover. MG had a good future and the first bid had a hidden backer. But the "Nasty Germans, beat the Hun, Lets save Rover" thing began..................John Towners Pension fund never looked back!
Mega

Parsec, you know nothing!
I used to drive my CTR down a great bit of bumply road by me. I used to have to "Map" where the Torque steer would happen so i was ready to pull the wheel the other way!

On one race i almost side swiped another car i was overtaking. The vRS this simply doesn't happen. I see a flicker from the E-Diff light. It brakes the torque steering wheel and it acts in Nanosecs!

the vRS is JUST has fast as the CTR and a lot safer as well. Vauxhall with be using the same system on the Lotus Astra.
Mega

Dude, you gotta sort your typing out. :twak:

Parsec, you know nothing!
I used to drive my CTR down a great bit of bumply road by me. I used to have to "Map" where the Torque steer would happen so i was ready to pull the wheel the other way!

On one race i almost side swiped another car i was overtaking. The vRS this simply doesn't happen. I see a flicker from the E-Diff light. It brakes the torque steering wheel and it acts in Nanosecs!

the vRS is JUST has fast as the CTR and a lot safer as well. Vauxhall with be using the same system on the Lotus Astra.
Mega

Classic stuff!

Well I have a similar story, in my Hyundai Coupe V6, with "traction control" (TM), if I flew up the Winnick Link road of the M6 the traction control would kick in on the first bend and cut the power.

On the ZS nothing cuts the power, I go round at a higher speed, sure if I power on too much the front tyres scrub, but at least I'm in control :cus:

I have no idea how different your vRS is from standard, but a standard one would lose badly against both a ZS180 and a CTR.

I'd have kept the CTR if I were you, if I didn't drive a ZS180 I'd have one of those.

Parsec, you know nothing!
I used to drive my CTR down a great bit of bumply road by me. I used to have to "Map" where the Torque steer would happen so i was ready to pull the wheel the other way!

On one race i almost side swiped another car i was overtaking.


So basically your trick cams caught you out! I do sympathise though, even though the power delivery of the KV6 is way smoother than VTEC there is still a shove at 3000rpm and it's not welcome when you're going round a corner.

Personally I like the 1.8vvc which has a lot of power and no such problems...

The CTR was taken and No, the CTR wouldn't drive away from vRS. All i done is remap and its a 5 min job. New map makes 210-215 bhp.......and it matches the CTR.........Without reving to Mars and back!

If you want the figs, read Autocar, the vRS test car had been re-mapped.

Mega

You were two generations behind in Automotive engineering. You couldn't produce a more powerful V6 because the engine would break everytime your tried. The V8 had a VERY small market, the Diesel was too slow.

You tried to sell the Cityrover at a insane mark up that just wasn't going to sell. I belive non of you high comand even drove the comperstion to see how it stacked up.

Frankly, you stood no Bloody chance, your cars where old and un-sexy. MG was cool brand and you can see WHY major players now want it. Put an MG badge on a rotting heap of Automotive crap...........and a que formed to buy it!

Just imagine how many your sell if its a brand new car ( i mean BRAND NEW!) engineered by VAG or Honda.
Mega I have not read all this thread as I have just got in but if you take a look at your post Mega you will see why we are in this position every comment you make is if `you ` not `we` people on this forum are generally enthusiasts all you enthuse is negativity ,the question is why are you on here ? its `you` not `us` or `we.So the reality is you are on here to just have a bit of fun at MGRs expense,we all know things could have been different if there had been money to invest, but without increased sales from people ditching there skodas and the like, it was unlikely to happen was it?
What I would like to know is what are you going to do for your jollies after this is all over?if there is no Rover,you will have nothing to complain about,as the facts are that if MG carries on it will be purely a sports car and will definately succeed.As prats like you will never be taken seriously trying to slag them off and going on about what happened and trying to wind people up will seem even more childish I havent looked but I take it there is no skoda forum that fulfills you ?

IVAN

If Mega wants a Skoda forum, he could always try www.briskoda.net (http://www.briskoda.net)

Perhaps he'd have more fun on there comparing 0-60 times and how many times his ELD (or whatever his LSD thing is called) light flashed?

I suggest you retract that comment. :err:

Why? have you another candidate?

IVAN

If Mega wants a Skoda forum, he could always try www.briskoda.net (http://www.briskoda.net/)

Perhaps he'd have more fun on there comparing 0-60 times and how many times his ELD (or whatever his LSD thing is called) light flashed?

Great link apparently they have been going for 110 years?? and one of them has nearly reached sixty miles an hour, HOW LONG IS THAT IN SECONDS ?LMAO


IVAN

Rapid I have just realised why I have not come across that skoda forum before....I have been googling skips.:doh:


IVAN

I told you they go bust, i told you that they go bust at the end of last year. They didn't because they screwed the books (Fact).

I spent the last 4 years asking the "Hard Questions"....and getting fluffy tales about "Dunkirk sprit" and other Bull like that. No one could give me a stright honest answer to WHERE they would get the cash (1-2 billion per car) from.

I was right

That comment about screwing the books is libelious. They did not "screw" the books infact PwC found nothing wrong with the accounts.

Mega my MG ZT is just a year old - I looked at a Honda Accord (new) but it was too clinical for me. Didn't want friends laughing at me so didn't even look at a Skoda!

0-60 in 110 years? Thats 20,813,760,000 seconds...

Anyway, if you are really sick of bad news - you'll be gutted by this bit. Apparently, BMW are owed over £8m for diesel engines from MG-Rover... and they won't be seeing a penny of it.

£8m to BMW is a **** in the wind! Perhaps MG Rover got my ZT's engine for free! ha ha

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

Even now a few of you seem to cling to the idea that MGR is about to be re-born and Longbridge is going to re-start production............Bul*****!!!!!!

Powertrain might, but only for a time to finish off Landrover project. Longbridge?.............You can do it when you B&Q it!
Mega

you really do talk a lot of pointless ******, my last five cars have all been brand spanking new cars from MG-Rover, not the bland boring heaps from Germany, Toyota are good reliable cars but again bland and boring, same as Honda, why dont you go away and play with your dollies and dolls house and leave the serious stuff to people that obviously care a lot more than you do........

I have not read all this thread as I have just got in but if you take a look at your post Mega you will see why we are in this position every comment you make is if `you ` not `we` people on this forum are generally enthusiasts all you enthuse is negativity ,the question is why are you on here ? its `you` not `us` or `we.So the reality is you are on here to just have a bit of fun at MGRs expense,we all know things could have been different if there had been money to invest, but without increased sales from people ditching there skodas and the like, it was unlikely to happen was it?
What I would like to know is what are you going to do for your jollies after this is all over?if there is no Rover,you will have nothing to complain about,as the facts are that if MG carries on it will be purely a sports car and will definately succeed.As prats like you will never be taken seriously trying to slag them off and going on about what happened and trying to wind people up will seem even more childish I havent looked but I take it there is no skoda forum that fulfills you ?

IVAN

I don't think he's actually grasped the economic implications of the things he says.

He's not alone in this. Many if not most Brits simply don't understand the implications of buying foreign cars.

Buy a foreign car and you export money. The only work it creates for Brits are a bit of logistics (to get the thing off the freighter ship and to the dealer) and income for the dealer and staff. You are creating work and income for foreign workers, and the multiplier effect ensures that further jobs and income are created in that respective country.

Buy a British car and you are helping to create work for fellow British workers. Most of the value of the car stays in this country. The people who produce these cars and the contributory components will go out and spend their income in other businesses, hence creating jobs for other people. This is repeated again and again.

I've lost count of the number of times I've explained this to people who just don't understand the economic implications of buying foreign goods where there are British-made items available. It finally dawns on them that yes, buying foreign cars etc is not good for the British economy or for British society.

So gloating over the problems our last volume car manufacturer has undergone is not only unpleasant; it is also highly irresponsible. You can advocate buying German, French, Japanese, Korean or whatever cars for as long as you like; when people actually do buy these cars, they are exporting income and jobs from this country to benefit a foreign workforce and economy at the expense of the British economy and British jobs.

This tends to return and bite those people too. The knock-on effects of job losses means that even someone like Mega, and all the other people who revel in their foreign goods, might end up jobless because there is not the money around to sustain the businesses they work for.

This tends to return and bite those people too. The knock-on effects of job losses means that even someone like Mega, and all the other people who revel in their foreign goods, might end up jobless because there is not the money around to sustain the businesses they work for.

lets hope he is and then he wont be able to pay for the internet connection and then we wont have to read the inane drivel he posts all the time

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.

Even now a few of you seem to cling to the idea that MGR is about to be re-born and Longbridge is going to re-start production............Bul*****!!!!!!

Powertrain might, but only for a time to finish off Landrover project. Longbridge?.............You can do it when you B&Q it!
Mega SHUT THE F*** UP!! Many of us on here are more than capable of buying new cars and buy MGR because we like them!!! I am a 29 year old engineer who is now on his 3rd (count em three, you know 3!!!!) brand new ZT which is a 190+. Yes I looked at other cars but still went back to the MG because it is a fantastic car. I have bought a new Golf in the last four years and it was the most overpriced unreliable car I have owned. So unless you have anything positive to say please don't write anymore crap!! None of us are under the illusion that things will go back to how they were at Longbridge but until or if it happens there remains hope......

What "Dissapoints" me the most about you people is that very few of you have the wedge to buy a new car. You drive about in a 15 year old Rover, if you could have brought one you would have bought VAG/Honda/Toyota.Mega

I'm glad you included the 'very few' bit. Shows you're thinking a little before shooting that mouth off unlike as you did so frequently in the past. Obviously some 'nouse' has rubbed off on you as a result of your car enthusiasts thread exchanges.

I often chose to drive a twenty year old Montego or ten year old Rover in preference to my new MG. What's more, I actually OWN all my cars and properties. How about you? Many average Brits are up to their eyeballs in huge personal debt, and most of those with 'sound' judgement that made them blow a lot of that debt on UK list only over-priced alien automotive product, since snatched back!. If I wanted one of those, I'd could get one tomorrow and OWN it!

Remember the story about my glum faced neighbour? He who had recently been made redundant because apparently, his regular customers were going outside the UK for the service and goods in future. Noiw there's a thing. Profits before people and all that apparently. I was very, correction extremely tempted to say look on the bright side, you'll have lots of free time to polish that nice Bavarian Sierra on the drive and his wife's alien wheels too... but, I didn't, unlike the attitudes of some folks I could mention.... ring any bells?

Similarly, I did not gloat when the vociferous neighbour who castigated me for my choice of cars incessantly going on about superior German Build quality had his Boxster self-ignite and burn out on the motorway ... at HUGE cost. Incidentally, he's not quite so vociferous of late ... quite the opposite in fact, very reasonable. Additionally, I have forgiven him for telling me that the reason my MG ZS is so reliable is because of its HONDA engine! Where on earth did that level of ignorance come from? Maybe the 'Clueless Clarkson' influence! No, can't be that surely.

What REALLY disappoints me about you Scouse-Mike and has done for some years now since we first exchanged responses over on the MG BBS, is your incessant negativity. Had you been more literate you'd stroll in any overpaid job in the UK's anti-Brit Media ... you appear to have that essential quality. Years ago, I accused you of being so very Anti-British and had a desire to see the demise of MG-Rover. You can now dance on their grave as has been your desire all along. Well, I hope that still gives you pleasure. I suspect it does as I also suspect your motive was simply that you wanted to continue knocking out Mundano-Jags up in Scouse-Land. Those days are numbered too. You are NOT the only one who has a crystal ball. Most, myself included believed large volume car production would come to pass in this country years ago. I'm on record saying that back in the late 1970s and made myself very unpopular in so doing. So, you aint so clever, nor your crystall ball.... probably Gerry Built ...:lol:

I also remember that prior to buying that buzzy-all-revs-or-nowt Honda, you considered an MG ZS. I'm again on record on the BBS as saying YOU will never by a new MG Zed as long as you've a hole in your ........ ear. Long before you bought it, I also said you may come to tire of that all-revs Honda and so even that came to pass, as you mentioned in one of your huge number of thread contributions. Remind us again of the circumstances why you no longer have one...

Your obvious near-Orgasmic pleasure at being so very clever at predicting the demise of MG-R is a real pleasure to observe. Yeah ..,. right ... It's such a rare event to see a Brit., even one so anti as you, actually get something right. Whatever next?

Now where's those nice BMW and Honda brochures .... If you can't beat 'em, join 'em ... It's the way of the modern Brit and I don't want to be the last dinosaur all my life...

For the benefits of Tru-Brits ....


Only joking ....or am I?

Safety Fast ... you know it makes sense.

Well TVR are not going to go for any deal which lands them £1.6 billion in debt are they? So any deal would involve buying the MG name, and thats it really.

No-one knows what is going to happen, so you cannot state that. Can we just stick to facts rather than stupidly concocted half-witted comments.

I suggest you retract that comment. :err:


Why? it probably is the most neutral handling FWD car I have driven, and I have driven most!

I don't think he's actually grasped the economic implications of the things he says.

He's not alone in this. Many if not most Brits simply don't understand the implications of buying foreign cars.



Charles, please don't waste your breath. Stoney ground and all that. A lot of that about everywhere in the former green and pleasant.

I've been saying things like that since the 1970s when those implications first occured to me. Often made myself unpopular as a result.

I have NOT bought a foreign car or motor cycle since which I did frequently previously.

I have NOT missed out as a result. Others have, but, they keep it to themselves ... unless its a Rover.

Thank you MG John for posting the voice of reason.

I have driven most of the current batch of cars as I end up travelling a lot in my work and I generally get supplied a hire car (so I have driven most of the range of todays cars). Truely the best FWD car I have driven in terms of handling has been an MG ZS TD 115+. The grip and feel from the steering is awesome.

I have owned one foreign car (a Fiat Uno - which was my second car), I have also owned 3 Maestros, 2 820's, 2 Wedge 400's, and a Mk2 400. I was saving my pennies to BUY a ZS, and am going to try and get an MG Maestro EFi, which I will probably drive at least as much as the ZS (I plan to get one of the last of the line now) Why, because new or old, nothing beats an MG or a Rover. Oh and when I buy a car, I pay for them with my own hard earnt, not with some companies borrowed money that I have to pay interest on.

Also baring accidents, I intend to hang on to these car for a large number of years.

The MG maestro`s were very underated cars, they are great fun,that 2.0 litre EFI is economical as well as a great drive. There is nothing better when driving a car of that age than when some one in a newish car,usually foreign,tries to show how cool they are by overtaking you,and you just leave them for dead.
Obviously I agree about the ZS I own 180 MORE SMILES TO THE MILE.

:bgrin2:
IVAN

There is nothing better when driving a car of that age than when some one in a newish car,usually foreign,tries to show how cool they are by overtaking you,and you just leave them for dead.

Just make sure it's a Skoda vRS... :lol:

Just make sure it's a Skoda vRS... :lol:

I wonder who you could have in mind:lol:

IVAN

Saw a lovely mid-blue Maestro today H reg, young couple driving, very nippy around the roundabout and spotless!

Saw a couple of Skodas today. God those cars are ugly. Make the Maestro look kinda modern and futuristic ;)

Whats that one called that they have tried to make look a bit like a golf,but with shopping trolley wheels?I wonder if you have to put a quid in it before you take it out?


IVAN