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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 15-08-2016, 12:20 Thread Starter
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Manual or DCT? your thoughts

Iím looking at buying a GS, Iíve had a test drive of both a manual and a DCT and I think both of them would fit my requirements. I currently drive a manual and the DCT is appealing but I have concerns about the longevity of dry clutch automatics (as I believe this is). VW have had serious issues with their dry clutch autos and are now moving to wet clutches. I note that in China MG has a wet clutch auto but only on the 2 litre engines.

I appreciate thereís a 5 year warranty on these and I also understand that itís too early to know how reliable, or not, these are going to be, Iím just looking for other peopleís thoughts on this.

My head says stick to the safe option my heart says go for it, what have you got to lose (apart form a shed load of cash at resale time if they prove unreliable)

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 15-08-2016, 12:32
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My personal preference would be for the manual but it is a personal choice. Dry clutch systems have proved a problem for some manufacturers but who knows how the MG one will turn out. Biggest issue I guess with purchasing the GS is what the residual values are going to be like after 3 years say. The petrol driven MG6 was the lowest of any car at 21% after 3 years - pretty awful by any standards. You pay your money and take a chance I guess.
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If you are really concern about the resale value then you shouldn't be getting a new MG or GS in this instance.

I have the DCT and it is far from smooth. The DW's Vauxhall Mokka auto drives better with much smoother change. I have had manual all my life and quite frankly I'm bored of gear changing with our current/future traffic conditions. Life is so much easier with an auto.

As for the China 2L using wet clutch. I think the dry clutch is only rated to have a maximum of 250Nm torque which is about the max of the 1.5L.
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If you are really concern about the resale value then you shouldn't be getting a new MG or GS in this instance.
I understand all vehicles depreciate, some more than others, but given the overal package ie warranty, finance etc I believe itís worth a punt. My question was more aimed at manual verses DCT and reliability of dry clutch autoís in regard to depreciasion. I also understand no one has a crystal ball so itís all speculative.

Iím surprised you say your DCT ďis far from smoothĒ, during my test drive I thought it performed very well but thatís coming from someone that drives a manual.

Iím not looking for a definative buy/not buy Iím looking for opions.

Iíd be interested in your thoughts on the ďside stepsĒ, to my mind theyíre more fashion than function and make getting in and out more difficult than it needs to be. I did ask about the possibilty of having them removed.
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I?m surprised you say your DCT ?is far from smooth?, during my test drive I thought it performed very well but that?s coming from someone that drives a manual.

I?m not looking for a definative buy/not buy I?m looking for opions.

I?d be interested in your thoughts on the ?side steps?, to my mind they?re more fashion than function and make getting in and out more difficult than it needs to be. I did ask about the possibilty of having them removed.
With what I'm about to say I will still not take a manual. When the DCT was said to be a dual-clutch I was expecting instant gear change but it just doesn't feel quick change at all compare to the Mokka. When creeping very slowly in first gear the car sometimes vibrates/shakes. First gear sometimes feel very long. The indecision of gear change sometimes going down gear causes the car to stutter just like when pulling the clutch out to early in a manual.

The side steps look really nice on the car and really what makes a SUV. But as you said it is more fashion than function. When getting in and out of the car, you really have to step over the side step so you need a big stride so it could be awkward. The good part of the side step is you can step on it to clean the roof.
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My preference would always be for an Auto. If you would prefer one as well I'd go for one. The car will have a warranty so any reliability issues would be covered by that. In spite of all the problems with the 7-speed DSG in VW Group cars there doesn't seem to be any effect on resale values probably because there will always be people who will seek out the automatic version of the car that they want. So even if the MG TCT box proves troublesome I don't think it will make resale values any better or any worse.
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I would want to know what this 5 year warranty covers and what is classed as normal wear and tear before making the choice.

Oh and by the way, I have side steps on my 4X4 and wouldn't be without them.
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With what I'm about to say I will still not take a manual. When the DCT was said to be a dual-clutch I was expecting instant gear change but it just doesn't feel quick change at all compare to the Mokka. When creeping very slowly in first gear the car sometimes vibrates/shakes. First gear sometimes feel very long. The indecision of gear change sometimes going down gear causes the car to stutter just like when pulling the clutch out to early in a manual.

The side steps look really nice on the car and really what makes a SUV. But as you said it is more fashion than function. When getting in and out of the car, you really have to step over the side step so you need a big stride so it could be awkward. The good part of the side step is you can step on it to clean the roof.
Given the extra cost for the Auto, and what you've said about it so far, why did you buy the GS? - you don't seem too keen. I wouldn't have bought a car I thought wasn't smooth or has this only become apparent once you plumped up the money?
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Oh and by the way, I have side steps on my 4X4 and wouldn't be without them.
Had them on my first Defender, they just got in the way when going off road. Didn't get them on the new one, for now at least I manage to haul myself up though I have split a few pairs of pants doing so (less the car's fault and more my diet I suspect)
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Given the extra cost for the Auto, and what you've said about it so far, why did you buy the GS? - you don't seem too keen. I wouldn't have bought a car I thought wasn't smooth or has this only become apparent once you plumped up the money?
There is no way I was going to get a manual of any car so inevitably the extra cost for an auto was expected. I suppose some of the drawbacks of the GS DCT wasn't picked up during the test drive but the overall package of the GS overrules the slight problem with the auto gearbox. Granted the auto isn't the best but it isn't bad enough to a point of hating the car. Once the car is moving the auto is perfectly fine.
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