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post #201 of 221 (permalink) Old 01-06-2016, 22:49
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Top man, look forward to it.
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post #202 of 221 (permalink) Old 21-06-2016, 11:40 Thread Starter
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So finally a year later than expected the engine is in bits!



Block looks in almost new condition, should be as it covered 2000 miles



Nicely built engine, definitely Japanese was the wording by Tech1 but built to last.



Pistons and rods look meaty too



New vs old pistons



Crank again looks solid, apparently the are good for lots of power and 8500rpm. Main think to notice is the gear for the balancer shafts



This photo does not do the weight of this unit justice, it's close to 10kgs (man pick up test). It's not needed so that's good news



Mountune baffled sump and balancer shaft delete kit fitted



Oil blocked for balancer shafts

Crank is off to have the keyway installed and now decision is what cams to fit

Std head flows well, some 550bhp engines in the USA (running meth injection) but with std ports. Spoke with Marshal at speedperformance and he advised the head are twin track as they create "a tornado" effect in the chamber to aid combustion. I can port the head at a cost of 900 ($960 but then shipping and import costs) but was advised it's not needed below 600bhp




Hopefully have it built by next week.....
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I bet you that engine is a refreshing change to a T-Series.
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I bet you that engine is a refreshing change to a T-Series.
I thought that too, but I loved the t series.

If I put it in partner talk,the T series is the dead wife I will love forever

The ecoboost is the newer model the same age as my kids that I can't help myself with
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Thats pretty deep man.
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So there is good news and not so good news and good news again

Good news is the engine build is on its way, i got very excited and finally thought we'd get things moving and done and i could drive the car. However, we fitted the rods and pistons to the engine and.........see below



Something didnt look right, the pistons were not sitting right in the block. As first we thought possibly that being a GDI engine the pistons sat lower but i called Speedperf6rmanc3 in the USA and turns out that i accidentally ordered the 2.3 Ecoboost rods and not the 2.0 ones.......



Bugger. However the ever helpful Marshall suggested a quicker fix than returning the rods, a 2.3 crank........a stroke of genius (pun intended) and they had just received a set of std 2.3 cranks which are forged and...i stopped him there and ordered one.....as a favour they even keyed and then balanced the crank for me........tops guys

Next issue will be customs clearance and Tech1 finding a slot to build the engine

Problem i have now is the GTX2867 will be on its last legs at 8000rpm, so a GTX3076R would be better, then i can have 550bhp and can tell everyone in the pub. If the wife finds my bills i am dead, although she has a new kitchen we still have the Tartan carpet a year after moving......
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These just arrived too so I am happy with that



Also the 2.3l crank has arrived, the joyous moment. The last piece (hopefully and may of said that before) of the puzzle


I was so happy when I dropped it off at Tech1, but Paul wasn't as chuffed. He is normally smiling when I drop something off and his body language was terrible. Long of the short is he and his business partner have decided to part ways and he will be closing the work shop
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Good news is he will build the engine for me, this I didn't want to take elsewhere and he has a workshop at home and will finish this. When, was the next question and Paul smiled.
So I now have to find someone stupid, sorry enthusiastic, enough to take on a project half done. I may of found someone but if anyone local knows of anyone (I don't) I would appreciate it.
I'd like to do it myself but don't have the time, or the mechanical know how to make the engine mounts and so on.
I think someone is trying to tell me something, and I think its don't give up

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Bit of a blow mate but at least it will get bult.

Where are you going to put the decals ?
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Decals go on the side of the car just under the indicators

Some more goodies have arrived courtesy of Speedp3rform6nce, cant praise these guys enough for their support and knowledge

This time its the auxiliary fueling systems, i did want the JM manifold but its taking too long and as i am only going for 450bhp SP advised this kit would be simpler, easier and perfect for what i need. Apparently the std inlet flows pretty well and its also light.

The reasons for this kit are two fold, the GDI engine needs a High Pressure fuel pump(above 200bar) and these run out (depending on who you talk to) at around 350bhp, the injectors run out not far after(depending on who you talk to). Uprated injectors are available but and they need more flow. The 2.3 has 4 lobes, the 2.0 3 lobes, on its cams and a different High Pressure Pump but it was a nightmare to change to this. There are some upgraded pumps, but these cost a fortune and are untested at the RPM i want to go to (saying that the std one is too). This kit has an inlet adpator plate with 4 injector holes, and 4 bottom plugs if i want to run meth/water (which i dont). Injectors are 640cc which are big but they are std FoMoCo for ease. Also combined, ported and direct, i should be able to run about 750bhp (which i wont, yet, maybe, possibly, shouldnt do).

Sounds complicated but Specialist Components already have the software to run both port and direct injection already (so i wont need the additional controller), and most High Power GDI engines, like the Mercs, run both port and direct.

Issue will be with the mapping but i will send the engine back to Specialist Components as they have probably the most experience on these engines in the UK, so need to get an exhaust manifold making and hoping Maniflo in Salisbury can help.

I have also found someone stupid enough to take on the engine mounts, and they are local ish, so having a ready mapped engine will make their and my life easier.

The Complete Kit


The Inlet adaptor


FoMoCo Injector, which is a bosch item


Additional Controller that i dont need
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Engine is being built, all parts fit......so far





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So progress at last, Engine builder got a new job (after needing a break) and engine was in one place and tools in another

Anyway a month later the three of them got re-united and the engine is being built (again)

Issue i had was the Main Bearing studs, the OEM items are stretch bolts and once used you need to measure the stretch and then change the torque accordingly, so i rang Speedperf6manc3 and asked what this should be. The ever helpful, if busy, Pablo explained that i needed to fit ARP bolts.

Next problem was searching for the correct bolts, ARP catalogue number came up at 270 and no one in the UK had any, and they were 6 weeks delivery. Rang Pablo again, and asked him to ship some. Turns out the ARP bolts for the 2.3MPS DISI engine are the same as the ECOBOOST, and 175 ! Luckily i found a supplier in the UK, who also sent sweets with the delivery.....





Pauls managed to fit them this week and cams are next



Cams are on lifters as per the Duratec but they are not shimmable, instead the buckets come pre-sized. Great idea but Paul needs to fit the cams check the gaps and then order some buckets.......more delays ffs

Good news on the cams, i decided to fit the full blown 12mm lift cams capable of 650bhp and 8000rpm........just need a bigger turbo, chargecooler, radiator, bigger tyres, more cooling and the head porting.........hmmmmm
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Thanks all, yes to engine fitter......if i can get the engine finished

Well its Christmas soon.......

Engine progress is slow, the last (please for the love of god) challenge is the cam followers. Ford in their wisdom made the ecoboost (like the duratec) with mechanical followers. They then made cam followers "un-shimmable" so you have to buy the correct followers shimmed accordingly.

Luckily i only need three, and these have been ordered direct with Ford

Then the engine needs building and dressing, flywheel, clutch and gearbox then ship it off to get a manifold made then off to get dyno'd




#nevergiveup
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It'll be done by Christmas? Nice present!

A good read, and judging by the parts you're putting on you'd better keep those receipts well hidden

Keep it going...

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Gnu not quite Christmas but Well New Year, New Engine !

Its finally been built, well almost the flywheel, clutch and box need to go on and the gearbox.

Engine with the external oil filter bracket and PCV delete and breather



Without the inlet fitted



With the new auxillary fuel manifold, basically a spacer with ports for 630cc injectors and ports for meth injection




Engine Fully built




I then need to make an exhaust manifold adapter (engine has on internal exhaust manifold) which needs to have an external wastegate something like this



If anyone can make one for me let me know as the USA is the only place to get them and they only sell them as kits with upgraded turbos ffs

Worst still Garrett have released a GEN II GTX2867R which would be perfect for this engine, the current GTX2867 will run out of puff above 7500rpm.........and the internals are not interchangeable

However good and bad news, the tartan carpet has gone and we now have Brimstone

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Had a mad thought today as i realised i havent fitted the custom flywheel, helix clutch (Rover T series) and gearbox (PG1 but C4 u spec) all together

Good news is it all fits, gearbox input shaft meshes with the clutch friction plate and everything seems to be ok

Obviously wont know its all perfect until its in and i have pressure on the clutch. But the signs are good

Good news is the engine is now pencilled in for the dyno with specialist components, and i have found a nice man to make the turbo adaptor. Plan is to have one made in stainless steel, to the best guess, get the engine dyno'd and hope it fits when the engine goes in. Then make one out of inconel for the long term.




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Today is a good day

Custom dash is nearly ready and i was asked if i wanted a custom screen so i got a pen and a fag packet and drew, like a 5 year old, what i'd like on the back.

a few weeks later and this is what has been done, at startup the 111ST logo is shown on boot up (not for long but if first boot it takes a few moments longer i am told), at the redline the welsh dragon appears in the middle (something the designer and I share heritage from so seemed apt and its a dragon !!) and the third and last screen is as per my request. 1st is copy of std dash, for road use but all the parameters shown on 3rd screen (track screen) can be show also on the 1st screen.

Oil pressure gauge is duplicated a few times but will be replaced with air temp, battery voltage and something else.

Its all plug and play with the analogue inputs, fuel etc and plugs directly to my ECU and will show all parameters it does.

Could not be happier, and i cant thank Alex enough for doing this


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So today i have the, first production dash fitted to the car and wow....just wow....i mean like wow

First off was the box


Then the contents, the dash on the top and the wiring below




I've spoken to Alec about how to control, and whilst you can use the trip reset and indicators he asked if i would like a small joystick for moving around the dash, i said yes a small discreet one with a push button so he supplied this. Idea is to have it mounted on the dash or just use it when you need it and plug it in



Next was fitting it to the standard mount


The original dash was taken out a few months ago and sent to Alec so fitting the new dash took about 30 mins




Fit and finish are pretty damn good and the graphics are awesome, the dash can take up to 6 screen designs (one of which i designed myself and Alec made for me), and then the 7th is the data logger


Took some photos, from afar, sun light was straight ahead but not direct sunlight but the dash was more than bright enough






Overall very very happy and it has more features that you can shake a stick at, everything was plug and play and worked

However i dont have an engine in the car, so couldnt test drive it
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Nice new toys

Things seem to be going well - be on the road by the spring?
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Nice new toys

Things seem to be going well - be on the road by the spring?
Just need to finalise the year
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I was thinking 2017, but I know how these things go...
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