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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old 12-01-2009, 18:24 Thread Starter
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Steel Seal Head Gasket Repair??

Hi there

Found this, would anyone know if it is any good?

Was thinking of adding it to my engine, its not showing signs but may help incase there is one building up for the big blow (money shot!) HG

Thinking of getting a bottle to keep in the car for when it does when im a long way from home, should be a temp fix for me to get back!!!

Let me know what you think

http://www.steelseal.co.uk/index.asp...CT&productid=1
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If you have no signs why would you want to put it in your engine?
I would save the 30 for when/if your head does go
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It cant hurt to keep a bottle in the car I suppose, but you'd want to keep a bottle of water to top your coolant up if it did start dropping.

To be honest you might want to look into k-seal its a hell of a lot cheaper and does the same thing from what I can see, have a search through the site.
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I advise against it, I used KSeal on my ZR before the head gasket went. All it does is leave a nasty residue in the engine if it can't find anywhere to go. Mucky stuff.
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hi guys

Ill get some water/coolent in a bottle for safes keeps, i didnt think of that!! doh!! a simple ideas that i didnt think off

im always checking the levels in the engine, its got 38k on the clock, its an 04 plate (1.4), no signs of bad starting, coolent dropping, dip stick, nothing, the radiator has never even come on!!! although im not sure if that is a good or bad thing!!!

wonder if there is a way to test if the radiator does work!!!!

although one morning (christmas day) the engine really did struggle to turn over, when it did loads of white smoke came out the exhaust not sure it if was steam, although it did smell like smoke, its never done it since, any idea what that was???
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With the weather I'd say steam.
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hi guys

Ill get some water/coolent in a bottle for safes keeps, i didnt think of that!! doh!! a simple ideas that i didnt think off

im always checking the levels in the engine, its got 38k on the clock, its an 04 plate (1.4), no signs of bad starting, coolent dropping, dip stick, nothing, the radiator has never even come on!!! although im not sure if that is a good or bad thing!!!

wonder if there is a way to test if the radiator does work!!!!

although one morning (christmas day) the engine really did struggle to turn over, when it did loads of white smoke came out the exhaust not sure it if was steam, although it did smell like smoke, its never done it since, any idea what that was???
If you want to test your radiator. Unplug the Coolant temp sensor. The wiring on mine was broke and made it run constantly. So i think disconnecting it should work if you want to test.
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If you want to test your radiator. Unplug the Coolant temp sensor. The wiring on mine was broke and made it run constantly. So i think disconnecting it should work if you want to test.

Is that wiring block located right near/on the radiator or do i need to look elsewhere to!!

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If you look towards the front of the engine you will see the main rad hose which runs across the radiator. Where this connects on to, there is a plug and connector on the front of it will be black or brown in colour .Disconnect that plug.
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Hmmmm, in the old days, this may have also be marketed as 'snake oil'. Ok, that may be a little unfair as I've not used this product personally, but put it this way, I'd not trust things like this to resolve HGF should it happen. I can't really think it'd help post HGF, once it's gone it's gone.

I agree with rackers, I'd not want anything in there which may grunge up the cooling system, thus potentially decreasing the efficiency of the system and possibly inducing an earlier failure. Like Paul says, if it's not broken, don't fix it!

If it's coming up for a service as an example, I'd sooner spend the 30 on an oil change using decent oils and filters
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Just put a bottle in mine and done the final run up of 3 before leaving it overnight to totally cool down.

I had a choice buy a head gasket and a timing belt kit for 50 and spend the day struggling my balls off in the rain on a council flats car park changing the head gasket or spend 30 on this stuff and take a chance!

I am possibly selling the car in a couple of months time and have decided to take a chance with the Steel Seal.

Its not something you can tip in and leave for if the head gasket does go, it has to be activated and then deactivated by mixing with etheleyne glycol antifreeze then running the engine up to temp then letting cool for an hour twice then running up to temp and letting cool over night before bleeding the air out and topping up with 50/50 antifreeze water mix as usual.

To be honest I am really sceptical about it but the car was running as lumpy as hell (as if on 3 cylinders) and smoking like someone on 100 b&h a day earlier and has been the last few days. I tipped this stuff in and on the second run up this evening the car is running as sweet as a nut and the steam out of the exhaust is virtually nothing (like what you would normally see on a cold day), the water and anti freeze in the expansion tank is nice and clean and free flowing and everything seems good so far.

I am sure I am gonna be proved wrong in the morning when I go out and the coolant is like concrete and the head has lifted clean off the block lol but I will have to wait and see.

I will come back tomorrow and let you all know how it goes as I am gonna run it up to temp and then bleed the air out before doing a 15 mile round trip on school runs first thing in the morning.

Fingers crossed anyway.

If your around the Longbridge, Northfield, Kings Norton or Maypole areas of Birmingham tomorrow between 7.30 and 9 am and see a fat bloke with glasses kickin the crap out of a red 416 on the side of the road stop and say hello or at least give me a beep cause you know it didnt work lol!

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wow cant believe you have tried it look forward to the reply mate

im sure it will work, remember the saying - it does exactly as it says on the tin, just wonder for how long!!!!
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Hopefully it will at least last till I sell it, not wishing it to fail on the person who buys the car that is.

And yeah I remember the saying lol, but were'nt that ronseal varnish? Oh well the cars a bit of a shed so hopefully it will work lol!

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MY GOD IT ONLY BLOODY WORKS!!!!!!!!!!

Started from absolutely freezing cold this morning (de-icer was freezing onto the windows) first crack of the key, the best she has started ever since I've owned her, ran her up to temp to get the thermostat to open and she ran like a dream.

Once temp was reached, switched her back off and released the pressure build up from the expansion tank cap, tipped in warm water (didnt want cold water to create further damage in a hot engine) and antifreeze 50/50 mix up the the top of the expansion bottle and then bled the air out of the system using the normal bleed screw on the water rail and brought the water level down to the max line.

Went on the 15 mile school run with the kids, car ran perfect all the time checked water level at the school and when I got back and it had dropped about 1mm.

Let the car cool for an hour and water back on max line where it was before setting out and nice and clear blue colour as it should be.

Just been on a 45 mile round trip to my mothers and back and its still running perfect with just a little haze of smoke from the exhaust (nothing unusual for a 122,000 mile k series in freezing weather) and no loss of water whatsoever.

Its even seemed to seal the very slight weep the radiator core had.

The oil seems to even be cleaning itself up and loosing the mayonaise effect (water evaporating off a bit I guess) but I am going to change that either this afternoon or tomorrow as soon as I get chance.

So far I can't say a bad word for Steel Seal, I think its brilliant and am thinking about trying it on my Renault 21 Diesel thats had liner seal issues for ages and seeing if it works on that too.

I will keep updating here over the next few days and so on to let people know how it goes but as I say so far I am absolutely amazed by the result.

All this from what essentially is a bottle of what looks like cats piddle. I just hope its gonna last, the bottle says its a permanant repair which I am guessing is very optimistic but I guess this has to be seen with time.

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Another 20 miles and still going strong with no loss of coolant whatsoever

I am absolutely gobsmaked at this stuff

Not had chance to do my oil change yet though

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wow that is amazing well done

did i make you aware of the product on this forum or did you see it in the shop and also use this forum?
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No I saw the steel seal web site on the net whilst looking to see for any info on k series head gaskets a couple of days before, then I actually brought a head gasket and got my mate over to give me a hand, and was having the obligatory cuppa before startin the task ahead when my mate said its a shame I had to do all that work on a motor I was planning on floggin soon anyway.

I told him about this liquid stuff I had read about on the net and he said well try it then (my mates been in the motor trade for 40+ years having worked at Rover on the origional mini and metro production lines then running his own mini and metro specialist repair and spares centre), I told him to shut up and how would it work and he said if I could swop the head gasket for steel seal at Sure Parts where I get all my bits from, if the stuff dont work he will buy me another head gasket.

I thought well I technically have got nothing to loose so rang up Sure Parts and asked about Steel Seal and he said they stock it and with my discount it worked out only a couple of quid more than the gasket itself so I sent back the gasket & timing belt and had an oil filter thermostat (just in case) and oil plus Steel Seal instead.

It was only after tipping the stuff in that I thought I would look and see if anyone else on here had tried it and I found this thread.

I have done another 50 miles today and changed the oil this afternoon and its still running sweet.

The coolant had dropped a few mm in the expansion tank when I did the oil change but that could be cause I was on a very slight hill so i tipped in around an egg cup full of anti freeze and its now just over the max line when on the level. I am hoping its just forced an air lock out in the system somewhere and found its level now its done a few miles and been left overnight.

I still cant get my head round this Steel Seal stuff. I have always been dubious of stuff like this that claim to be miracle cures in a bottle but so far I can't knock this stuff. I am gonna try some in my Renault 21 Diesel in the next few weeks when I get it ready for the mot and see if it has the same effect on that.

I seriously cant beleive how much work this has saved me if it lasts.

Will keep you updated.

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Another 60 miles and still running as sweet as a nut. Clean oil, Clean water, virtually no smoke frome the exhaust and pulling like a train with no loss of water whatsoever today.

Definately gonna try this in my Renault and would reccomend it to anyone who is loosing water and suspects a head gasket to be blown on the cooling side.

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mate i think your a legend, well done

really pleased that you have writtin a good in depth report on your progress, i wonder if anyone here might think about trying it also?

How much does it cost by the way, i didnt look into that?

If the head is gonna go its a sure way of fixing it to then sell the car, i know thats a horrible thing to do but its what happens!!

Last edited by T0MM0; 17-01-2009 at 07:40. Reason: oh and forget to mention, can you show me some proof that the engine loves to rev,
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Thanks, its cost me less than 25 with my discount but I think its 29.99 plus postage from www.steelseal.co.uk and I think it was 36.99 from where I got it from off the shelf retail price.

Like I say I am planning on selling the Rover soon so it has saved me a lot of work that I technically would not have reaped the benefit of, cause I aint gonna make a fortune on a 122,000 mile 1996 416i am I lol.

Saying that though, as I said previuosly I am gonna try it on my Renault 21 Savanna that I plan on keeping for a good while yet if it goes through the mot to try and seal the weaping cylinder liner seals that have been leaking to my knowlege for the past 2 years. (it just keeps on going, and wont die and at 200,000 I am just gonna run it till it pops and drop another engine and box in.)

I can't beleive the result I have had with the steal seel and I am totally amazed. I have been in and around the motor trade all my life (32 years) and in that time have tried and witnessed trying many so called miracle quick fixes but this by far has to be the best I have seen so far.

Now done just over 200 miles in total since pouring the steel seal in and apart from tipping in no more than an egg cup full of antifreeze/water the other day have had no loss of coolant or any ill effects in any way whatsoever so far.

Like I say I would reccomend trying this stuff to anyone before shelling out for or going to the extent of changing a head gasket thats causing loss of water.

Will keep you updated.

Nige

P.S. How you want me to prove the engine revs well? All I can say is mid range it pulls nearly as well through the gears as my 180bhp well tuned 2.0 focus (mind you I aint drove that other than moving it round a bit for over 6 months lol).

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