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post #61 of 83 (permalink) Old 16-02-2017, 08:34
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I'm beginning to understand, you regard any kind of profit as the work of Satan.

Hypothetical. Let's imagine that someone downloads one of your maps and somehow bricks their ecu.

Do you think that they will;

A/ Be philosophical and take their now fubarred car on the chin because the map was cheap/free?

B/ Come after you rightly or wrongly for some kind of recompense?

Have you considered or do you have in place any for of contingency for the above scenario?
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I have a tiny 512kb file here,its just a lot of numbers,I have changed some of the numbers how much would you like to give me for it?
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How much do you want for it?
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My business plan is to sit on my arse in retirement and give stuff away that should now be FREE as these cars are so old and cheap.
The fact that the cars are getting old and cheap does not mean that the parts and accessories are also old and cheap. In fact, judging from what tends to happen with parts for very old cars, as they dwindle to very low numbers over the next few years you can expect parts and services to get both harder to find, and significantly more expensive.

I am afraid you have a very cock-eyed viewpoint.
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Do you have that user name because you like to swallow?
Your chatup lines compliment your natural business acumen.
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The fact that the cars are getting old and cheap does not mean that the parts and accessories are also old and cheap. In fact, judging from what tends to happen with parts for very old cars, as they dwindle to very low numbers over the next few years you can expect parts and services to get both harder to find, and significantly more expensive.

I am afraid you have a very cock-eyed viewpoint.
I get that, I know, but you can't hold a remap in your hand, they are never going to become scarce. You could email yourself one now and pick it up in 50 years if the worlds still here.
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All has pretty much been said already, and I think my own business background seems to have passed most 'validity checks' (lol)

I will say one thing, anyone who is using an 8 cable is using cloned equipment so that removes any applicability of any case put forward for a business being able to provide the service on the cheap - though some businesses do of course try to do this.

But let's stick to legitimate costings for businesses that are put an equal effort into being genuine to both suppliers and customers.

It's a big circle and it all comes back to 'a pocket money remap doesnt generally happen without ripping someone off'

'perrys' account whilst a good indicator that the costs are greater than it appears, does of course miss out things that make the situation even worse, for example the R+D element which takes up more time than tuning. Like an iceberg the customer only sees a fractional amount of the effort and the rest sits in the background.

May I be as cheeky to suggest that those with lesser investment in R+D also have lesser costs...



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Me who has always maintained "I know very little about this" but CAN DO IT for free?????
Kris,give the likes of me a DIY version of your work. A no come back,do what you want with it map with zero's for VIN and see how many you sell.
Extend your range of products.
Put a pole up to measure public opinion on a new thread. Costs nothing and you can test the water.
i.e. I'm thinking of a DIY range of maps would you be interested?
YES-
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see what you get?
If its a resounding NO I'll leave,you won't hear from me again,its a promise.
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I am not sure that you even begin to understand what a re-map actually involves, or what is necessary to write one from scratch.
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I am not sure that you even begin to understand what a re-map actually involves, or what is necessary to write one from scratch.
But this is my point I do and its very little.
I have some software,you drop a map into it,it highlights the areas to be tuned. You drag lines about on a graph and in 10 minutes your done. If you've done this type of car before its a one click operation to put those new settings in.
With a standard car its that easy that's how they can make a profit charging 30 on eBay.
It really is changing some numbers.

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Then if you click on one of the above highlighted areas you get a file like this:-
You change some numbers and save. Its that easy.

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See this is why I think the copyright issue is strange.
If I change some of the above numbers and someone else has already picked them they have the rights to them?????

But now I've broken tuning down a little you can see its starting to look easy.
Tuning parts unnecessarily as some have,its hard to do.
Keith's story of having VNT settings would be impossible to do and I suspect whoever did that tune had copied it from a BMW.
Remember I know next to nothing as well and I'm self taught
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I'll agree with half of your last line.
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Do not play silly games and try to circumvent things we said about placing things on this forum.
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Extend your range of products.
Interestingly enough, I've already tested the water with 'map your own car' style products.

The problem is quality control, you need people to adjust responsibly, using equipment that wasn't likely to fail and using remaps vetted by ourselves - so we distributed some devices that allowed all-contained ecu programming and diagnostic facilities. The devices were 'light, single use only' versions of genuine tuning equipment from the same manufacturers as the tools we use on cutomers cars and the way the device worked the tunes would have to come from us, but meant we could supervise the tuning process from afar and not just give a 'heres a file and thats the end of it' but actually supervise, customise and adjust like we would in person.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, but the flaw in the plan was people wanted it for practically free. So I stopped stocking it - once again we do the full circle where a very small proportion of people just don't want to pay their due.

I'm not going to distribute files on their own, except to people I've agreements with to do this (other garages etc) because the risk of the theft of our development work. I was open to the above concession to try and enable some end user involvement and ability to swich tunes to suit their mood etc but its largely a waste of time in this self-entitled climate. providing this service adds to the costs.

Most people don't mind paying a fair price for a remap and we go to the ends of the earth to look after these people. We don't even oppose people tuning their own car, but that does cause problems which is why im now waiting for someone to pick up their replacement EDC15 (see previous page). Heck we even help people out who come a cropper, but the situation would have been avoided if they'd come to us first, and we do charge for the recovery obviously.



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Do not play silly games and try to circumvent things we said about placing things on this forum.
They were random stock photos from who knows what car
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Do not play silly games and try to circumvent things we said about placing things on this forum.
So am I alright to put two more random pictures back up?
Or has Kris asked you to remove them as it shows how easy it is to tune?
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So am I alright to put two more random pictures back up?
Or has Kris asked you to remove them as it shows how easy it is to tune?
For the record none of member asked us anything. We explained the boundaries and would like to be kept as said.

You can speak and post on this topic within these boundaries, but if you provide detailed step by step guide with pictures how something can be done that is the same as you offered file for download.
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For the record none of member asked us anything. We explained the boundaries and would like to be kept as said.

You can speak and post on this topic within these boundaries, but if you provide detailed step by step guide with pictures how something can be done that is the same as you offered file for download.
The picture of the tuning map locations was for a Renault Laguna,the "this is what a map looks like" picture was for and unknown car.
Can I put them back in?
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