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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 14-11-2012, 23:53 Thread Starter
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How to fit new door hinge bushes.

Apparently, when MG built these cars they used bushes, made of recycled Yugos, in the door hinges.

After a while, the bushes break down and lead to play in the door hinge which causes the door to clunk when you go over bumps. It can also lead to the door dropping when you open it.

Good old Mike Satur sells an upgrade kit. The kit comprises of 4 stainless steel bushes, enough to do 1 door, or 2 hinges.



To fit the new bushes, you obviously need to remove the old ones. The kit comes with a nice guide on how to fit them, but shows the hinge removed.

I thought I would try doing them in situ. My advice........ Remove the hinges.  I’ll go through both methods and you can decide for yourself.

Let’s see why.

First thing to do is support the door.



Obviously, you need to take the weight off the hinge to make removing it easier. Also, when you remove the pin or the hinge the door will sag and put more strain on the other hinge. I used an axle stand, but be sure to put something between the stand and the door to protect the paintwork. You can also use a jack. This has the advantage that you can raise or lower the door to get better alignment.

So, we have the door open and supported and you should have full access to the hinge. First job is to remove the circlip that holds the top of the pin. A circlip is a round clip that pushes over the pin and sits in a groove, holding the pin in place. There is a small cutout in the clip that allows you to place a screwdriver tip in and twist, which should unseat it. Then using the blade of the screwdriver, lever the clip away from the pin until it is fully freed. Try to hold your hand in a position that you can catch the clip as it WILL fly off and find the nearest drain etc.



The red cardboard was just to protect the paintwork.

Once the clip is removed, retrieved from the nearest drain, keep it in a safe place as you will be screwed without it.



Now, using a punch/drift, hammer the pin downwards



until it is clear of the hinge.



Next, to get access to the bushes, you need to remove the door half of the hinge from the door. It is held in place by 2 x 13mm bolts. You can get a socket on the top bolt



But, you will need a ring spanner for the bottom bolt as access is limited.



And remove the half of the hinge.



Slightly blurry, but you can see the bushes now.



And you can see how bad they are.



You can either drift the bushes out using a suitable drift, or use a screwdriver to lever under the flange (fnar fnar) and ultimately lever out the old bushes.





Be careful not to stab yourself with the screwdriver. Sounds daft, but I nearly did it a few times.

Now place the new bushes in place.





With the flanges facing downward and push them into place. They might just push in or you might need to hammer them in. If they are too loose you may need a new hinge.



Now clean the pin and add some copperslip or lube of your choice.



Offer the half of the hinge up to the other half and loosely bolt to the door.



Lining the holes up best you can.



And hammer the pin in from below.



Simple.

Or you could drop the pin and watch it disappear into the hole that is the inner wing, spend ages trying to fish it out and then realise the only way you will ever see it again is to go in through the wheel arch. 



Also, even though I knew that the bushes were different sizes, I still managed to put them in the wrong way around. I only realised after trying everything I could to get the pin back in place.

The bushes are both the same outer diameter, but one is a smaller inside diameter than the other.



The one with the bigger inside diameter goes at the bottom of the hinge, otherwise the pin will not go completely in.

Anyway, hammer the pin back into place which is awkward due to limited space.



Remembering to put the clip back in place in the groove



And tighten the 2 x 13mm bolts back up.

Job done.

Err, no. You still have the bottom one to do. Well you can forget doing that in situ as there is no way you would be able to hammer the pin back in again due to lack of space.



So, the only way to do this is to take the whole hinge off.

To do this you need to take the wheel off and the wheel arch plastic liner out. This will give you access to the 3 x 13mm bolts that hold the inner half of the hinge to the body.



Use a ratchet with a long handle, or use a tube to extend the grip. It is fiddly, but you will get there.




Remove the 3 bolts and put them somewhere safe. DO NOT attempt to open the door while the ratchet is in there as you will damage the door.



Now remove the 2 x 13mm bolts that hold the hinge to the door.



And remove the hinge. You will need to fold the hinge and jiggle it about a bit to get it out.



You can now work on the hinge outside of the car.



Pretty similar to the procedure above, but the pictures are clearer.

Prise off the circlip with a screwdriver









Now hammer out the pin



Using a drift



To push the pin fully out.



And remove the old bushes



Using a screwdriver



Or drift if needed



The lower bush of the bottom hinge was a little, errr, worn.



Take the new bushes and push them into place. You can see in the pic that one has a larger hole or inside diameter. As said above, this is the bottom bush.



The next pic is shown upside down as the flanges go to the bottom.



The new bushes are now fitted.

Clean the pin up with a bit of wet and dry.



Apply some copperslip and push the pin in from the bottom of the hinge.



And hammer the pin in the last little bit.



And push the clip back into place.



Now, refit the hinge





And you are finished.

Try closing the door and make sure the door shuts smoothly and that the shut lines look ok. Hopefully, as you supported the door it shouldn’t have moved.



You can now refit the wheel arch liner and wheel.

I haven’t taken it for a drive yet, but the door does seem to have less play in it now.

As per usual, you do these jobs at your own risk. Use the correct equipment to support the car if you are working in the wheel arch as the car could fall if just supported by the jack.

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Very very nice guide.

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Very very nice guide.

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Should get yourself an MGF/TF and try the guide out.
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As usual Clive and Awesome how to

I have some bushes so may fit them soon ( ive only had them 2 years )

Will blue cardboard be ok as I cant find any red??
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Great write up.


I did my driver's side last year but got to both hinges from the wheel arch - removing both hinges altogether as I couold not:
1. get either pin out and
2. the adv being you don't have to prop the door up open and I think less risk of the door moving on the hinge


Just an alternative way - not necassarily better. Possibly more fiddly
  • I did one hinge at a time
  • jacked up front of car, removed wheel, supported on axel stands, etc
  • removed wheel-arch liner
  • first gently loosened the bolts on one hinge with the door open - just a tad
  • closed the door
  • wedged it with plywood - just in case it moved
  • removed the four bolts from the hindge - I had to use a verity of sockets/extensions. I think to remove the bolts to the car body used an old spanner with the ring stepped to the shaft and the boolts to the hinge using 1/4 inch socket set an extension bar
  • then the procedure is the same as CJJ's guide
  • bit fiddly to get bolts back in holes to car but think glued bolt to spanner with a bit og wood glue in the end
  • Then did other hinge

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As usual Clive and Awesome how to

I have some bushes so may fit them soon ( ive only had them 2 years )

Will blue cardboard be ok as I cant find any red??
I've had mine more than a year.

As for the cardboard, I couldn't say. Obviously I have only tested the red cardboard and wouldn't want to say yes to the blue and someone ending up getting killed.
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Wow... That is another job to add to do in mine! Great how to! Makes it seem easy!!
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Do you know if this is a problem with other MGR cars? I've never seen replacement bushes available for the 200/25, and Rimmers only sells the full hinge.
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Do you know if this is a problem with other MGR cars? I've never seen replacement bushes available for the 200/25, and Rimmers only sells the full hinge.
Could the bushes be the same?
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CJJ, a really excellent "How to", a credit to you.. i think.

my drivers side door on one of my mgfs, has dropped slightly.. ive just added a spacer between the lower door hinge and door to bring it back up.. and that works well. In reality it looks like the spacer ive used is about the thickness of the bush... which pretty much tells me --

now i know what to do to fix it properly. TY CJJ..

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Could the bushes be the same?
I have no idea unfortunately.

Having said that, replacement hinges are only 9 on Rimmers
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I have no idea unfortunately.

Having said that, replacement hinges are only 9 on Rimmers
and for some, who own and like mgf`s as much as you do t0m4ever, "only
9" is the difference between having and have not.. the consequence is the difference between saving and losing forever..

i wish i had 9 to use so easily sometimes.. i hope your retirement and life experience gives you many ONLY hours....

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Nice one CJJ. I have oredered mine hope MS has plenty of stock!!!
I have been nursing a horrible 'clonk' when riding bumps from the door. Perhaps this is the answer? Soon find out when the post man arrives!
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I thought you had done that ages ago?
I remember you posting a pic for people to guess what those top hat shaped bushes were last year some time.
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I did this about 6 weeks ago, but I did it by only removing the half of the hinge that fits to the door

Negates any extra work removing the liner etc, just a little fiddly.

Use a jack to support the weight of the door, undo the 2 bolts on the hinge (after first marking with a pen their exact position).

Take off the clip, remove the pin, and change the bushes. Refit in reverse order.

The old bushes were virtually non existent !!
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Excellent how too thread !!.....
Like someone said,...... another task to add to my list !!
My drivers door has definitly sagged & clunkes !! Passenger door OK ! Prob cos not ever used so much.
I will be ordering kit soon.
Hope mods move this to perm "How too thread list" ??
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I did this about 6 weeks ago, but I did it by only removing the half of the hinge that fits to the door
How the hell did you manage to hammer the bottom pin back in?
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Managed to get it 3/4 of the way in by hand, got a short metal rod under it, and a few sharp upwards taps with the lump hammer put it back all the way.

I'm not saying it was easy, there wasn't a lot of clearance for a good swing, just a few inches, so it was a few short bursts.

The screws holding my liner in are all goosed - a job for another day, so I went for this option instead.
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