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Electric MINI to be made in Germany?

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Reuters Luxury carmaker BMW is considering moving planned production of an electric version of its Mini compact car to Germany from Britain in response to plans by London to leave the EU single market, the Handelsblatt daily newspaper reported.

BMW may shift manufacturing to its production sites in Regensburg and Leipzig, the paper said, citing company sources. Production at Netherlands-based contract manufacturer Nedcar could also be an option, it said.

BMW plans to start talks with the British government next week, Handelsblatt said, adding a decision would have to be made during the second half of the year.
BMW may build electric Mini in Germany instead of Britain: Handelsblatt | Reuters
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Hardly a surprise in view of the current threats of industrial action at Cowley. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if BMW shut Cowley altogether and build all the MINIs elsewhere - and you couldn't really blame them if they did.

The TGWU (or UNITE as they pretentiously call themselves nowadays) don't seem to have a learned a single lesson from the damage they wrought on British manufacturing in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
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Sounds good. The mini chassis makes it ideal for an electric conversion. plenty of space for batteries in fuel tank and engine bay and the car isn't huge so it won't need a lot of them to get it to a +120 mile range.
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and the car isn't huge
Compared to the original it is.
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I was amused on Saturday when we parked in the local Sainsburys underground car park, opposite was a MX5 and a Bini, when we came back both were gone but there was another Bine where the MX5 had been and another Bini further along.

I'd be surprised if we don't lose much of our remaining car manufacturing over the next decade as producers bring in new models, and then we see UK prices go up relative to EU prices, musch like it was a few years ago.
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Compared to the original it is.
I saw a new MINI 5dr parked next to a Peugeot 306 recently. The MINI looked bigger. The new MINI being based on BMW's new UKL platform family is markedly bigger than the R56 before it, which could still be described as compact.
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I'd be surprised if we don't lose much of our remaining car manufacturing over the next decade as producers bring in new models, and then we see UK prices go up relative to EU prices, musch like it was a few years ago.
I would be very surprised if we lose any car manufacturing in the future - unless the workforce indulge in the same sort of self destructive industrial action the like of which is currently being threatened at Cowley.

UK car production has been on the rise, and increasingly UK production is being exported all over the world. Possible future trade agreements (unhampered by EU interference) offer the possibility of increasing exports, provided the UK workforce maintain or improve efficiency and quality.
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I was amused on Saturday when we parked in the local Sainsburys underground car park, opposite was a MX5 and a Bini, when we came back both were gone but there was another Bine where the MX5 had been and another Bini further along.

I'd be surprised if we don't lose much of our remaining car manufacturing over the next decade as producers bring in new models, and then we see UK prices go up relative to EU prices, much like it was a few years ago.
tHE fRECH ARE LOOKING TO TAKE OVER vAUXHALL Look what happend to Hillman . a houseing estate now. over production they say ,move stuff to romainia ,Dacia / ? AT 885 a month ,cheap labour
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I would be very surprised if we lose any car manufacturing in the future - unless the workforce indulge in the same sort of self destructive industrial action the like of which is currently being threatened at Cowley.

UK car production has been on the rise, and increasingly UK production is being exported all over the world. Possible future trade agreements (unhampered by EU interference) offer the possibility of increasing exports, provided the UK workforce maintain or improve efficiency and quality.
Sadly it looks like we've lost some engine employment in Bridgend. A degree of inevitability for some of the redundancies given JLR's decision to produce some of its own engines. Ford Bridgend has overcome challenges before and any issues can be resolved, says First Minister | Wales - ITV News
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That wasn't unexpected tbh. It was unlikely that Ford would be able to replace that capacity from elswhere. Long term, I don't think it is significant, or likely to be the start of a trend. Jaguar appear to be going to manufacture their own engines in Wolverhampton, so that capacity will replace at least part of what is being lost in Bridgend.

UK car manufacturing is in a fairly strong position - whilst a lot of components are imported from within the EU, the bulk of the finished cars are exported outside Europe (and this applies to the MINI in particular). Provided the currency remains stable and the UK workforce doesn't price itself out of a job (as happened in the 1970s), I remain optimistic about the future.
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It makes sense for BMW to move production to Europe. They need to mitigate against the risk of Brexit.
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As the biggest export market for the MINI seems to be North America, moving production from the UK to mainland Europe might be the equivalent of shooting themselves in the foot .

The supposed 'risks' from the UK leaving the EU are largely imaginary - but will be principally down to the attitude we take to it - if we want to be taken in by the negative voices, it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy
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It makes sense for BMW to move production to Europe. They need to mitigate against the risk of Brexit.
If the barriers don't go up (in both directions), where is the advantage in shifting production?

OK, you mean if the barriers DO go up. Obviously that would be in both directions, so cars produced in 'Europe' (presumably you mean in the post-BREXIT EU) will have to pay tariffs when selling to the UK and US among other large BINI markets. Moving production behind barriers adds costs so exactly what is mitigated by the risk of BREXIT?

Are you suggesting BMW WANTS to lose money and doesn't like the uncertainty of not knowing that might happen, so they instigate loss-making moves in order to be certain they will cut profits?
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