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General Motors in talks to sell Vauxhall and Opel marques to Peugeot

When I heard recently that Vauxahall-Opel hadn't made money for 20 years, I wasn't surprised to read this news.
I wonder if SAIC might be tempted to make a counter-offer? How would it impact the Luton van plant as Peugeot has a joint venture with Fiat for vans. Could this closed or be sold to someone like SAIC?
General Motors in talks to sell Vauxhall and Opel marques to Peugeot
Peugeot in talks to buy GM's Vauxhall and Opel business - BBC News
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Will the Vauxhall brand survive, or will it just be Opel across Europe?
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I hope this doesn't happen. I do not see PSA as a safe pair of hands.
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Will the Vauxhall brand survive, or will it just be Opel across Europe?
It's already Opel everywhere, just has a Griffin badge stuck on.
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It's already Opel everywhere, just has a Griffin badge stuck on.
Yes. There has been a constant cycle of rumours about the Vauxhall brand being dropped over the years and none have come to pass. The brand is simply too strong to be in jeopardy.
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Yes. There has been a constant cycle of rumours about the Vauxhall brand being dropped over the years and none have come to pass. The brand is simply too strong to be in jeopardy.
The issue is that it's British and a Vauxhall very superficially. I doubt many would notice if it became an Opel. I'm surprised they haven't used Opel as some sort of premium brand to introduce it.
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If they decided to make another mad car like the VX220 I would probably care about Vauxhalls future.

As it stands, it's a generic brand that values reliability over most anything else.

There's nothing really appealing to them as an inspiration to car manufacturers.

I mean have they made an interesting car other than the VX220 in....umm the last 20 years?

Not much really to worship other than their sheer ability to sell cars.

I'm all for keeping jobs in the UK for manufacturing, but would I personally notice if they disappeared? I barely notice them NOW.
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I mean have they made an interesting car other than the VX220 in....umm the last 20 years?
And that was a Lotus anyway. You could add the Holden-based VXRs to your list, but then again they're not really Vauxhalls either.

Vauxhalls are white-goods vehicles built for and bought by the masses who don't require anything further than A-B transport. To that end, Vauxhall gets a lot right, with smart styling, classy interiors, solid build and fair reliability, but in common with most other German vehicles, are devoid of soul and appeal to anyone wanting an emotional response from their vehicle.
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The issue is that it's British and a Vauxhall very superficially. I doubt many would notice if it became an Opel. I'm surprised they haven't used Opel as some sort of premium brand to introduce it.
In the days before the Opel and Vauxhall vehicles became identical, Opel offered their versions of the cars through their own network of dealers in the UK - hardly anyone bought them.

The Vauxhall name is unknown outside the UK, but many buyers still percieve Vauxhall as being British, and that has massive value for sales volumes. This has been the principal reason why GM have always backed away from proposals to drop the Vauxhall name.

If Opel-Vauxhall hasn't made a profit for over 20 years (as is suggested), the first thing that needs doing (regardles of when or who it is sold to) is the entire upper management need giving the sack and replacing with a team who have some idea how to run a business.

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I do not see PSA as a safe pair of hands.
Recalling the way that PSA crapped all over Ryton, I entirely concur.
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Vauxhall never made a good car anyway
and yet you see them everywhere. You can't drive anywhere without being stuck behind a Coarser, Ashtray or an Insipid.
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It's truly not the kind of business that you want to lose. Apart from the directly employed, you lose the skills base, the supply chain jobs, god knows, even the local sandwich shop.

PSA will just make a right mess of it.
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Foreign control and ownership. You cannot beat it ... In the UK.
Very true. Just look at whats happened MG. Still though with JLR they've shown they can do it better than us.
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my thinking is if PSA gets hold of Vauxhall, it'll be to remove a competitor, both Vauxhall and Opel are all but for the name the same car, I think GM, would sooner see Vauxhall go down the drain, (anyone remember Saab?) then to see their/Vauxhall IP go in to Chinese hands, and I think this is holding up talks
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Well its now been confirmed and the media this morning made no mention of PSA's unnecessary closure of Ryton back in 2006.

If only our useless politicians could create a level playing field protecting the jobs at risk. The job flexibility argument doesn't work. It hasn't exactly made European companies transfer production over to the UK thus far. On the contrary, its a charter to close down existing production in the Uk and move it to high wage economies a few hundred miles away.
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That will be the end of Vauxhall then. Ford must be celebrating and so will the likes of Kia. I've had some good cars from Vauxhall and Opel over the years. Worst one by far was a Peugeot. Not a fair reflection maybe but that's the way I see it. Vauxhall had a few "interesting" cars over the years (who can forget the Lotus Carlton) but did not play the "performance" card as often as some others, notably Ford. They had their share of mediocre cars too but so did the rest. I have a late model diesel Astra estate as my daily drive and it ticks a lot of boxes. Exciting? No but quick, quiet, comfy, economical, spacious and reliable. Better than a Focus? It's in the eye of the beholder, overall certainly no worse, some models yes some no. Will I buy what I see as a French car in the future? Not a chance, maybe another MG beckons?
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Running true to form, as I type this I have 24/7/365 News in the background. All are linking this to the UK's decision to sever the EU connection permanently. No doubt closure of Longbridge would be blamed on UK's Exit from the EU if the media thought they could get away with it! They are obviously so much more clever than us Plebs and need to remind us of that at every opportunity.

Foreign Investment? When it suits all will be gone. All the Japanese manufacturers here have threatened that years ago.

Apparently, 80% of the Vauxhall product goes to the EU. I wonder what percentage of that 80% goes to the UK market which currently is a member of the UK. Stats ...

Before any calls of "Fake News", the UK media also stress a massive 75% of the Cars' manufacturing content is bought in from abroad. Lot of good that does the UK. Mainly bought in from guess where!

Why oh why can't the UK manufacture that 75% stuff either in house, or elsewhere in the UK thus creating more jobs and securing existing ones, not exporting them. We still have the skills so it is not yet too late.

I drove past Ryton ten years ago. A sad desert. Just needed a few Tumble Weeds to complete the scenario.

Matter of time before both VX plants are shut down and asset stripped. Probably sooner rather than stated timeline later as soon as "clever" accounting reveals massively failing economy of both plants.

So when all is gone, will we import Opels with Vauxhall badges on them? So that folks buying Vauxhalls can feel comfortable that buying one provided manufacturing jobs and careers for Brits.

Bet they do.

Build 'em where cheapest, sell 'em where there are the fattest margins. Guess where.

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