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Compatible CD changer and lead and front fog light question

Hi all, work on my 1999 Ti has progressed well and she is currently enjoying a rest in my nice warm garage over the winter months. Whilst not in use I have been sourcing the remaining parts I need to make her perfect.
I am after a pair of replacement rear brake shields, as mine are in a terrible state. I tried to source some via a contact in the trade using the Accord part No.s found on here without any success, can the non-abs variety be adapted or modified to fit as I believe they may still be available?
Can anyone confirm which make and model of CD changer and lead is compatible with the R860 radio cassette, also details of the boot mounting bracket arrangement?

A final question regarding the front fog lights, whilst checking my lighting for the MOT in October I noticed the front fogs came on when I pressed the button but went off when I released it?
At first I thought it was the switch failing to latch but after examining a spare rear fog switch internals, I suspect the relay or control unit has the latch function. Can anyone confirm this and whether or not the car has a latching relay or control unit for the front fogs?
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Regarding front fog lamps, yes there is latching relay. This relay is usualy under the steering wheel, yellow one, tied with cable ties to another wires.

For CD changer Philips and Alpine CD changers can be connected to Philips 860 radio. However which models, I need to check as I do not know by hart.
Here are links to threads on the subject on this site,so you can check by yourself: http://www.google.hr/search?q=philip...w&start=0&sa=N

EDIT: I found what CD changers you can connect.

PHILIPS R860 unit can be paired with following CD changers:

PHILIPS DC082 CD Changer (MGR part number VUW100010)
PHILIPS RC026 CD Changer or

ALPINE XQE100230, XQE100280 and XQE100430 CD changers with round connectors only
ALPINE XQE100250 and XQE100270 with round connectors only


For the boot mounting arrangement, see here: What have you done to your Rover 600 today?

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Philips R860 head unit, long cable for boot location and CD Changer.

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Regarding front fog lamps, yes there is latching relay. This relay is usualy under the steering wheel, yellow one, tied with cable ties to another wires.

For CD changer Philips and Alpine CD changers can be connected to Philips 860 radio. However which models, I need to check as I do not know by hart.
Here are links to threads on the subject on this site,so you can check by yourself: philips 860 cd changer site:mg-rover.org - Google pretra?ivanje

EDIT: I found what CD changers you can connect.

PHILIPS R860 unit can be paired with following CD changers:

PHILIPS DC082 CD Changer (MGR part number VUW100010)
PHILIPS RC026 CD Changer or

ALPINE XQE100230, XQE100280 and XQE100430 CD changers with round connectors only
ALPINE XQE100250 and XQE100270 with round connectors only


For the boot mounting arrangement, see here: What have you done to your Rover 600 today?
If anyone is interested, I have the following items available.

Philips R860 head unit, long cable for boot location and CD Changer.

Will split if anyone wants single item :~

Three of the 620ti in the family all have the R860 with boot location 6CD Multi-changer. All still working well and approaching two decades of age.

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I'll have to move car out of the garage at the weekend and have a look at the relay, do you know if it's the same type as the one used for the rear fogs on the 600 or on any other Rovers?

Just had a look on Rimmer bros and see non-abs rear brake shields are also NLA, back to the drawing board for them I guess.

Thanks for CD changer info, I thought they were mostly Alpine units. I read somewhere that some of the R860 head units had round and some had square changer cable connections, is that correct?

MG John I would certainly be interested in your changer and cable, does it come with bracket or would I have to fabricate one? Could you PM me with details, price etc please?
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I'll have to move car out of the garage at the weekend and have a look at the relay, do you know if it's the same type as the one used for the rear fogs on the 600 or on any other Rovers?

Just had a look on Rimmer bros and see non-abs rear brake shields are also NLA, back to the drawing board for them I guess.

Thanks for CD changer info, I thought they were mostly Alpine units. I read somewhere that some of the R860 head units had round and some had square changer cable connections, is that correct?

MG John I would certainly be interested in your changer and cable, does it come with bracket or would I have to fabricate one? Could you PM me with details, price etc please?
This image shows the two Fog Light Relays and the double fog light switch removed from a 1998 600. Rear Fog Light to the left of the Switch in the middle and the Front Relay sub-loom to the right. :~



I'll check what I have... may have the bracket. Definitely have the 6CD Multichanger and cable. Should not be difficult to fabricate one. Two of the Changers are located in the 600's boot on the driver's side wall and the third under the passenger seat. Both locations have their advantages but, I prefer the boot location.

The R860 cable end connectors are two types. Rectangular at the head unit end and circular at the Multichanger end. Some of the visually similar units fitted to later 2000 on MGs and Rovers have subtle differences to. Some fit some don't. I would guess interface connectors are available from ICE specialist to mix and match all combinations.

I also have a new unused CR-80 Head Unit, cable and 6CD Multichanger as fitted to two of my MG ZTs. They work well. I had planned to fit the new unit to a car but sold it before I fitted it. I offered to fit it to my wife's ZS as it is superior to her OE Kenwood jobbie ... which she prefers .. or rather is more used to after fourteen years of ownership..

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Thanks, will give me something to sort out at the weekend, weather permitting.
I agree that the boot is the best place for a CD changer,in my experience they're ok under a front seat as long as there's space, such as in my old Discovery 2.
So I don't need to check the plug shape on back of my head unit, it will be a rectangular connection at that end? I can soon make suitable brackets up for the boot installation if you don't have them John. Let me know details so I can arrange payment and collection, many thanks, Paul.
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Thanks, will give me something to sort out at the weekend, weather permitting.
I agree that the boot is the best place for a CD changer,in my experience they're ok under a front seat as long as there's space, such as in my old Discovery 2.
So I don't need to check the plug shape on back of my head unit, it will be a rectangular connection at that end? I can soon make suitable brackets up for the boot installation if you don't have them John. Let me know details so I can arrange payment and collection, many thanks, Paul.
Now had a chance to check what I have. I attach a series of images of the 6CD Multichanger, Cassette and Long Cable which enables the assembly to be located in the boot. I have five mounts for these ... all difference and I've only marked one which fits the 400/45 and MG ZS boot locations. Leson here. One looks like the 600 boot fitment but, I'll check it against one in the 620ti to ensure it is the correct item for the 600. PM follows.
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Hi John, that looks and sounds spot on, I've tried replying to your PM but not sure if it's gone. Let me know if you don't get it and I'll send it again.

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Hi John, that looks and sounds spot on, I've tried replying to your PM but not sure if it's gone. Let me know if you don't get it and I'll send it again.

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Yes I got your 15:38 pm and replied to it @ 17:18.

Please confirm you received my reply. I'll be in touch again when I've checked the brackets.

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Cheers John, reply received ok.
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Stopped raining after twenty four hours near continuous precipitation. Have now checked the boot mountings of the CD Multichnager and I do not have the main support bracket. I do have both the L-Shaped brackets and four bolts which bolt them onto the sides of the Multichanger as can be seen in this image. It should not be difficult to fashion a suitable support bracket out of some sheet metal.



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Thanks John, could you get me the sizes of the backing plate that the L-shaped brackets are fastened to in the photo and does it have a lip at the bottom as well as the top? I'll make that first, it should then be easy as you said, to mount it to the metalwork behind the trim. I've got a good sized piece of zintec which should be perfect for the job.
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Thanks John, could you get me the sizes of the backing plate that the L-shaped brackets are fastened to in the photo and does it have a lip at the bottom as well as the top? I'll make that first, it should then be easy as you said, to mount it to the metalwork behind the trim. I've got a good sized piece of zintec which should be perfect for the job.
The Kit is on the way.

When it arrives, fit the side brackets to the unit as in my picture. That will show the measurements and locations of the bolts. You'll need to pull away the driver side boot lining ~ carefully as they are usually firmly attached and tucked under other parts of the boot. Then you may see the locations for the plate sub-frame ... It may be there. I suspect they are there for all the cars even if the unit is not fitted. I thought I had a picture of the area behind the lining but no luck. It's close to ten years since I last fitted one of these.

Have emailed you a few minutes ago with shipping information.

Earlier I checked the operation of the units by connecting them to my 620ti's Head Unit.



It works well :~

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Whilst at it, I also tested an identical spare I've had for years. That works well too. Bonus ..

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Thanks again John, I've been tracking the parcel, which is now well on it's way to me. I'm looking forward to cracking on with that and a few other jobs when I get her out of the garage.
One thing I had forgotten was before I can start her, I need to finish fitting the new turbo to coolant rail hose that I'd started in December. I found that every time I tried to push the hose far enough onto the coolant rail stub it was pushing the rail away, and that without the benefit of an extra pair of hands I couldn't hold everything in place whilst tightening the hose clamp. Unfortunately due to it being late in the evening and that the following day I was going in for shoulder surgery, I had to leave it. My plan now is to use a piece of wood on a jack to hold the rail in position from below whilst I hold the hose in position and tighten the clip.

The Honda dealers have now managed to source a pair of rear brake shields for 34 each, hopefully they're the right ones and fit ok.

At some point I will try to post some photos of my car, but in the meantime if anyone's interested there's a short article featuring her here:https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...BM2qq0MGWkXxXQ

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Typical, after checking on the parcels progress before it looked like it was going to be tomorrow for delivery. I popped out at 1515 and the parcel was delivered at 1520, luckily the driver left it inside our front doorway out of harms way.
Many thanks John, everything's spot on, I can't wait to get it fitted, once I've sorted the coolant hose and can get the car out of the garage.

On a different subject, my Wife who works for a large North West body repair chain has come in and informed me that their main parts supplier has ceased dealing with Xpart, so no more trade discount on genuine Rover parts for now. I'm a bit gutted as it's been great having a ready source of parts at a good price.
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AHHHH it's terrible when you can't use the trade discount anymore
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To be honest it was more the benefit of easy access to the parts and free delivery, the trade discount was an added bonus. It really came in handy when the Ti failed the mot on rear anti roll bar bushes, I couldn't get them from the local factors, so I supplied the part numbers and a day later the wife brought all the bushes and spacers etc home.
Unfortunately we do have an Xpart dealer in town, but I refuse to use them anymore after a bad experience that resulted in my wife's Rover 25's engine being ruined, which they refused to accept liability for.
Never mind though, there's still Rimmer Bros and scrap yards, although 600s are getting scarce in them now. It will probably pay at some point to buy a decent donor car, even if it isn't the same model there'd be enough common parts to make it worthwhile.
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I finally got the CD changer all mounted in and up and running, after some hassle with the original radio. I won't say what the problem was as it's a bit embarrassing, but I probably should go to specsavers! Many thanks John for your advice and not laughing at my little error, the installation went well and it is all up and running perfectly.
With car out on the drive I finally had chance to look at the front fog light problem. The relay fitted is a normal 4 terminal non-latching relay, poss and neg for coil and contacts in and out. On checking the switch assembly I realised that the front fog lamp switch is indeed of the latching type, but mine is worn, as it will only occasionally latch if you lightly jab the button.
A quick look for the combined front and rear fog switch YUG101420 reveals Rimmers have none and there don't appear to be any on e-bay at the minute. I have stripped a rear fog only one I had to see what's inside and found that behind the button is a miniature, non-latching microswitch soldered to a pcb. Hopefully if I can get the front fog switch assembly apart I should find a similar microswitch, but of the latching variety. I can then try to find a suitable replacement and put it all back together. The difficult part is you have to remove the individual button covers to allow the pcb and switch assembly to be removed from the rear of the switch holder. If it all goes according to plan I'll try to put some pictures on and a bit of a guide, for anyone else who has the same problem.
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I have a good 600 Double Front and Rear Switch.

Glad to hear you got it sorted.

If not already got one, I have one of the above Rover 600 Double Fog Light Switches available. The upper switch holds and releases as it should with each push. PM if interested.

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Thanks John, it was well worth the trouble in the end. Call me a bit old fashioned, but I prefer a good old radio cassette and CD changer to the modern system in my Tiguan which has a single slot CD player in the glove box.
Thanks for the offer of the fog light switch but after stripping mine down I gave it a clean with some switch cleaner and it is now latching everytime it's pressed. Unfortunately as it started raining halfway through, I didn't get chance to get any photos of the switch stripped down as I wanted to get the car back in the garage. But I did have a look and found that RS do a similar PCB mount latching switch. Both switches are similar but the one for the rear fog has a blue plunger and is non-latching whereas the one for the front fog a black plunger which is latching. I have my spare rear fog only switch stripped so will try and identify suitable replacement switches.

After putting her back in the garage I decided to have a look at why I still seem to be loosing a bit of boost. I've already checked all the pipework from turbo to intercooler and throttle body which is fine and have replaced all the boost control pipes and fitted a brand new OE BMV. John suggested checking the recirculating dump valve diaphragm and sure enough it has several splits in it. John, have you still got some spare diaphragms? Also I was wanting to replace the wastegate actuator with a new standard one, does anyone know where these can be obtained? My spring had gone weak and although I "tweaked" the bracket to stop it rattling I possibly haven't got the correct amount of preload and if the spring is soft it will still allow the actuator to open the wastegate early.
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