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post #1 of 55 (permalink) Old 17-03-2015, 19:24 Thread Starter
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MGF 75th Anniversary Edition # 1864

This came up for sale at a reasonable price. The deal was that it must be fixed up and back on the road and as those whom frequent these forums know this is right up my street so arrangements were made to view so at least this time there would be an idea of what I was taking on. It seemed to be quite good so a deal was agreed.









The story is that she boiled up and then was parked up for about 18 months. She was then bought by someone whom hoped to save her but it seems the quotes for the head gasket repair put them off or they discovered soemthing else.

Anyway when viewing I noticed a few things like the driver window had over ridden it's stop and the radiator needed replacing. The interior needs some TLC especially the wood trim and the leather needs a bit of TLC too. Being a non runner or so I thought transport had to be arranged and this bit happened on Monday so she is now home.

That window was a priority so the battery was checked then put on charge meanwhile a spare charged battery was connected up to lower the window. While adjusting it a bit it was noticed that the drivers door handle is broken. Both screw bosses are broken. Before connecting the cars battery the fobs battery was replaced with a new one just in case. The thought that we would see if she turned over. Went to put my foot on the clutch pedal to find no pedal. Hmmm whoops it's stuck on the floor. A quick look at the resevoir shows it's almost empty looking at the slave cylinder with a torch shows the dust cover has popped off so am thinking we are probably looking at a seized clutch release arm here and now a slave cylinder to sort out.

Well the good new is that she turns over properly the surprise was that she struck up really easiliy .................................. really easiliy like she hardly spun over and she struck up. Engine sounded a bit tappety but this is to be expected after not running for a length of time. Some how I doubt this has not run for 18 months or more though!

Water was added to the expasnsion tank and the bleed screw on the engines coolant pipe released and the radiator was aslo opened and coolant flowed. With teh engine running coolant was returning strongly into the expansion tank however once warm and the engine revved a bit this stopped .............................. Hmmmm odd.

Next morning another look and bleeding took place this time including the heater matrix and again coolant flowed. With engine running coolant was again retruning to the tank after a brief spell but again once at operating temp if revved this stops.

So we have a circulation problem but what exactly is it? Is it the thermostat? Jiggle valve? or perhaps a faulty water pump?

This is the state of the radiator:-







and this was the expansion tank cap:-



Not good that one methinks.

So today the task of preparing to replace the radiator was started and more issues were discovered.
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post #2 of 55 (permalink) Old 17-03-2015, 21:33 Thread Starter
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Here is the popped clutch slave:-



This outlet hose seems to have been weeping;-



and will be replaced as these don't seem to like being disturbed.

It was suggested that this F has suffered HGF however the signs just don't seem to be there:-



the oil is clear if even if the level is a tad low.

When the front wheels were removed to gain access to the arch liners so the front bumper can be removed and the headlights changed this was noticed:-



What looked from the outside as decent Goodyears are in fact knackered and here is why:-





That's the grease coming out of the top ball joint. But they did have new shocks fitted ..................... The underfloor pipes seem fairly new even if they are not S/S:-







and they seem to have been sprayed with something so they will be checked and cleaned off just to be sure everything is OK with them.

However the front sub frame looks a bit scabby:-







So after seeing this and the ball joints and TRE's and as the radiator has to come out for the new one to go in we might as well drop the sub frame and fitt eh one that has been refurbished.

Also noticed this bodge on the O/S headlight:-





Why not just drill the broken bolt out and retap the hole???? There are also a couple of spots of rust that will need addressing:-



Normal place around the intake vent.



and round the drivers door handle............................... which is a new one on me. So the jobs list and parts list is already growing and we have not checked the brakes as yet nor do we know how good the clutch itself is........... Hmmmmmm !!!!!!!
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It's getting a longer list everytime I go out to take a look. Whom ever owned this did not believe in maintenance it seems. Just discovered that the N/S/R shock absorber is floating up and down the bolt. The lower hub bushes are shot so it looks like a rear suspension overhaul as well. Will post some more photos later.

The spark plugs are pretty ropey and pretty worn the air filter is filthy and a load of leaves inside it so the resonator is going to be full no doubt. have pulled the Polymer TB off as have an alloy 52mm TV5 to go on it but she also needs a replacement inlet manifold as some ham fisted twerp has pulled the moulded in nut for the oil filler neck out of the plastic. It also is probably leaking as there is wet on the rear crank case above the sump. Not sure if this is a leak of just left over condensation from the frost. Will remove the manifold to see later.

The way this is shaping up will need the money from "Blue's" sale just to buy the bits and the chances of getting her on the road for the Burleigh House run in April are looking slim to none now.

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Took alittle time to do the first mod ............................... the other month before we even knew about this car there came up on offer for a good price a nice TV5 52mm TB which I snapped up. gave it a scrub up and put it aside. Well today I masked up the bits that don't want paint and painted the TB and the alloy was a little dull and slightly stained. The result:-







Now honestly what colour did you expect????





It's only loosely fitted to allow the paint and lacquer to fully harden. It has to come back off as the maniold needs replacing. However it really brightens up the engine my in my eyes.



Some ham fisted twit has pulled the ferrule out of the plastic manifold that holds the oil filler neck in place. Note the subtle cable tie bodge!!! Plus we think the inlet is leaking coolant there is coolant dripping slowly off the bottom of the sump at the rear.



Will know once we get it off to examine.

The engine bay is in dire need of a good degrease and clean as it's filthy and badly neglected like much out of sight on this MGF !!! Bought a hand spray degreaser the other day so will get to work with it soon then break out the small pressure washer we have.

Also discovered that the rear suspension needs a fair bit of TLC with most bushes needing replacing:-



Lower hub bushes are not good.



Lower shock absorber bushes knackered.



The water pump looks a little rusted also and the upper cam belt cover is cracked right across it Then there is this oil leakage:-



to trace and cure................................. not to mentione the scaby paint an rust to clean off, treat, then paint.
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Ahhh being busy was never in doubt not with "Elsie" still as an ongoing project. However I did not forsee such extensive refurbishment beign required on this 75th. As shown in the viewing photos she looks quite good and this decent surface condition hides the neglect underneath.
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Well today was spent on more investigating and stripping down with the result that we now know that the front brakes are furbarred, knackered, defunct! The pads piston side on the front calipers were so jammed they have over heated to such a degree tht the friction material was delamininating:-



The O/S/F caliper got so hot it looks like it started to melt the piston dust seal:-



The brakes must have been binding terribly no wonder the car boiled up what with the shot radiator:-





plus some dubious hoses this is one badly neglected MGF! The lower rail of the radiator is swinging and only just attached.

As a result we are looking at replacement brakes for the front at least :-



So with this in mind am making enquiries about the possiblility of new 4 pot AP's as after all we know they fit under the 75th's rims . Then will compare the prices with refurbished or new std front calipers. The pads were ferodo so of decent quality and the discs them selves looked almost new. However the Drivers sid was rusted on tight and took some serious abuse with a BIG ball pein hammer to shift it so it's a but battered about so new discs needed.

Have not checked the rear brakes as yet. Some good news is that amongst my spares cache this was found:-



So we only need to find ONE good headlamp for the drivers side . Look what was discovered under the arc liner:-





There is a bit of surface rust to clear up so am thinking of undersealing the under arches to help protect them for the future.

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Parts needed so far ..... needed NOT wanted!

This is what we know is needed at the moment:-

Radiator ......................... already got this
Radiator fan .................... hers is damaged
O/S Headlight
Rear lower hub bushes
Compliance Bushes
Rear lower radius arm bushes
Suspension top ball joints X4............................... Have two for the fronts
Front lower ball joints ......................................... Here and fitted.
TRE's .................................................. ................ Here and fitted
Radiator hoses top and bottom ............................. Connected but no clips fitted as yet.
Engine metal coolant rail ..................................... Cleaned, derusted and painted the original.
Thermostat .................................................. ...... Converting to PRT and new PRT assembly bought. Old thermostat replaced with flow restrictor.
Engine temp sensor for the ECU ............................ Got another to fit.
Drivers outer door handle ....................................... Got a blue one which needs painting to match.
Both 75th wing badges ...... both are missing.................. New pair bought .................... still recovering from the shock of the price.
Brake flexible hoses front & Rear....................... have a pr of HEL rears....................... New S/S braided bought for the fronts.
Clutch slave cylinder .............................. have one off the Donor F .............................. Located still attached to gearbox.
Front tyres .............. pair of................................................ ................ Will use the pair of part worn Events for the MOT until can get some new.
Wheel nuts ...................... set of.
Rear shock absorbers ............. fronts are fairly new Montroes.
Alternator belt ...................................... is fine no cracking visible.
Alternator splash guard
Rotor arm
Distributor
Ignition leads
Spark Plugs
Air filter ......... probably fit TF assembly.
Water Pump
Cam belt and tensioner
Cam belt cover ........... it's cracked right across it.
Exhaust front pipe and silencer
Inlet manifold ...................... it's damaged ............................. replaced with an alloy TF 135 one.
Inlet manifold gasket. ......................Ordered and arrived for head and between upper and lower manifold
Front discss ..................................... Ordered new pair of 304mm discs from Apec
Front brake calipers ........................ ordered new pair of Alloy AP Racing 2 pot calipers

And the list seems to be growing. Today amongst my spares cache I found a good N/S head light. Also have a good clutch slave cylinder some where ( found still on the VVC gearbox) and a pair on new Yellow PVC coated S/S braided HEL rear brake hoses.

Edit:- Some progress has been made but long way to go as yet!!

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The weather was good it was even fairly warm in the sunshine so more came off her today including:-

Metal engine coolant rail
Thermostat housing .. then removed thermostat (Fitting PRT instead)
Only heater connections to undo in engine bay and all engine coolant hoses are off.
Belly pan removed
Both front hubs off
Both top ball joints undone from hubs ready for cleaning the hubs
Steering column U/J undone

Does not look like much done but every bolt and part seemed to want to stay in place especially the thermostat housing .............................. man that was a swine to get out.

When doing this noticed the the HG can be seen and it's shiney:-





So am guessing that the HG was done at some point. The problem there is going by the pretty poor standard of other things done on the car do we trust the work??? Hmmmmm! and it's that weeping onto the outlet stub??? And why is it that the engine coolant outlet hose always seems to weep and have pink crust around it? :-



So now we have one steady brace under the spare wheel well to remove then disconnect the hydolastic pipes and undo, that is shear off the three remaining front sub frame mounting bolt and undo the already loosened and nipped up rear bolts then the sub frame can be dropped out! So some progress is being made at last. Surprisingly both front wish bones are in good shape:-





Hmmm think I will drill out the rivets before dropping the sub frame and remove the lower ball joints ready for replacements. Will also crack the wish bone bolts. Once the rebuilt sub frame is in we can build up the front end ready to ut wheel bac on so we can then jack up the rear high enough to remove the rear sub frame to sort out the clutch arm and slave cylinder and do cam belt etc plus clean off the sub frame and treat then protect it.
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Update front sub frame is out

Despite having to take the hound to the vets this morning we managed to achieve a fair bit including:-

1) Disconnect and remove slave cylinder

2)Get clutch release arm moving

3) Undo final bits connect front sub frame to body

4) Jack body higher and move stands further back for clearance

5) find length of wood to support sub frame

6) lower and remove sub frame

7) Remove front spheres

And here is where we are at:-





So next is check the spheres and remove the refurbed sub frame from the donor body then move it over and slide it into position the raise up and fit into the 75th body. So we have a busy few days ahead. Oh yes the front hubs are soaking in a solution of Bilt Hamber deox-c to remove and kill the rust on them along with the tower clamps for the spheres. Tomorrow will take them out and rinse them off then dry. The hubs will have the flanges removed that is assuming I can get the nuts undone. Have new bearings coming so would like to get the flanges out so we can paint the hub easier.

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The Deox-C seems to work these are the splines from the front hubs:-





And here with a coat of paint:-





They also have a coat of lacquer on them. The hub knuckles are at the garage with the new bearings waiting to have the old ones pressed out and the new in. The knuckles need painting and will do that once the new bearings are in.

Meanwhile the refurbished sub frame was put in this afternoon after the snapped off inner front bolts had been drilled out of course:-






and in place with new bolts and new rear mounts:-









Next it's fit the knuckle pins then spheres then radiator hoses and the new radiator. After that we are stuck until the front hubs are back and the splines refitted.

So we shall begin to fit the rest of the coolant hoses so need to get the rest of the bits to do so. Lots to do and still get such as:-

Front brakes
New flexi hoses for the front brakes
Fit new braided S/S hoses to the rear brakes
Fit and bleed slave
Strip the rear suspension to replace the bushes
Check rear brake calipers.
Paint engine coolant rail and re fit
Fit alloy inlet manifold lower
service engine

That will keep me busy for a little while at least........................................ but we are making progress. Visible progress at that!
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nice work mate cracking job looks great keep up the great work
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Thank you

The yellow sub frame is the one I refurbished almost a year ago for the original VVC project that then became a donor after acquiring "Elsie" the BRG VVC who was on the road already and in better conditon body wise.

Now despite the horrid scabby looking condition it seems that the original front sub frame out of teh 75th is basically sound so will strip it and get it blasted ready for rust treatment and prevention then painting and rebuilding for use in another MGF. One of the reinforcing beams is not much good but that's not an issue as I have two better condition ones on hand.

Once I get the hydagas all refitted to the front and the other cables in place it's time to break out the pressure washer and clean out the under arches then the sill drains. Will also plug the engines orifices and wash it down with degreaser then pressure wash it. I hate working on dirty oily/greasy engines and bays. A clean bay and engine allows one to spot and find leaks so one can fix them plus one does not get all plastered up in muck when doing anything.

My dilema is the front brakes as I keep wanting to get and fit AP's but the finance is just not there for any at the moment. Not only do the AP's look good I happen to like the way they brake and work having a set fitted to "Elsie" has allowed me to evaluate them well. However the cost of overhauling a used set is not light as I discovered with "Elsie's" set........................ so we might have to look more closely at a big brake upgrade using rebuilt Std calipers will speak to Bigg Red about overhauling the calipers on Monday and ask how much and if they wish to purchase my other old calipers as there is two compete sets of MGF ones here plus a couple of extra rears and a pair of Rover 75 fronts. That should reduce the bill some what ................................ I hope
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sounds likeyour going to be busy mate but it good to see someone so dedicated to looking after his cars and am sure you will sort something out with the brakes
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Yes I will certainly be busy as still have lots to do and if we wish to make my goal deadline only three weeks to get her on the road.
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Bigg Red brakes

Well just phoned this company about reconditioning a set of calipers and they want 250 to do a set !!!!!!!!!

It also seems there is no call for MGF calipers ..................................... hmmm perhaps it's the pricing that is the reason so we are back to seriously considering AP's .

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Bought a pair of new AP Racing 2 pot calipers from MG Mania .............................. awaiting delivery which will be next week now due to Easter.

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Today I took both front hubs to a local garage to have the old rusted bearings pressed out and the shiney new bearings pressed in. Will go over about lunch time tomorrow to collect then I can prime and paint the hubs as they are stripped bare.

So I have a couple of days to get them primed, painted and lacquered for protection which gives me a couple of days to sort out the brakes. Due to the rancid state of the calipers replacements are required. See above about reconditioning and costs although have found an ebay vendor than will supply a pair of reconditioned front calipers for less than 100........................................ but then for between 90-120 one can buy NEW Alloy AP 2 pot calipers that fit the larger 304mm Trophy discs. Not only are they new but use opposed pistons rather than the inferior sliding caliper and one piston idea plus I believe that the pistons on the opposed caliper design are also larger which will increase the braking effort.

As luck would have it ECP also have the Pagid 304mm discs on offer right now in their ebay shop. The only thing holding us back is making sure that replacement pads are available for the AP 2 pot calipers.

Oh yes and a pair of nice new S/S braided front brake hoses.
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Progress update.

New bearings are in:-





So now the front hubs have been primed and a coat of bright yellow applied but need to get some more Fiat Broom Yellow as another make of paint is more Primrose and wee bit pale. Although I like it it's just no in your face enough for the under side of my MGF .

So they will need another coat at least then lacquer for a bit of added proetection.

The old bearings were well rusted:-





The new ones should help reduce the drag and work load on the engine and transmission.

The TF 135 Alloy plenium has also been sprayed Yellow so will match the TB.

Have put on both front radiator hoses and dropped the new radiator in position. Sorted out new S/S dome head bolts for the slam panel and rad mounting plates. The rad has to come out again so nothing is done up properly as we don't have a rad fan as yet .................................. well one that works that is. Have also got to route the battery cable and secure it in place.

Back to the front running gear and suspension .................... I pick up a TRE in the morning so both of those can be fitted. Just need the hubs to be dry and hardened off enough to fit. So tomorrow it's fetch more Fiat Broom Yellow paint, pick up the TRE then fit the Top Ball joints. Grease the splines and fit the hub inners. The nuts will be torqued up and staked once the brakes are one and bled.

Fit front knuckles to to radius arms. Place spheres and nip up tower clamps connect lines to spheres. Four new shock absorber bolts with nuts and some washers arrived this morning along with the coolant flow restrictor to replace the standard thermostat when the PRT is fitted. Once the hubs are in place and the wheels put in the straight ahead position we can reconnect the steering column. Then it's wait for the parts to arrive. S/S Braided brake hoses for the front, new discs and calipers.

So time to begin tearing down the rear to refurbish and replace bushes.

Let us just hope that the weather will be kinder next week to us.
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