Lots of Chinese News [Part 2] (Sept 2006 to April 2007)

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Steve Childs

Please find part 1 to this thread here: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=82757

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I can see them Windy.

Don't worry, they are just pictures stolen off of Peter Stevens website - the Wedgwood Blue 75, facelift ideas.

[Windy]

Originally Posted by IanRobertson

I can see them Windy.

Don't worry, they are just pictures stolen off of Peter Stevens website - the Wedgwood Blue 75, facelift ideas.

Well the real thing should have an MG badge, but for some reason they are labeled MG 7Z so I would still like to get in there

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Windy

Well the real thing should have an MG badge, but for some reason they are labeled MG 7Z so I would still like to get in there

Aha, I thought you meant you couldn't see the pics you'd posted.

The Autoscoops website seems to be down at the moment

[patpending]

It's amazing how a certain glasnost has taken hold in China (when it suits the government, at least).

That analysis of the history of Chinese carmaking is fascinating. The "Phoenix" is mentioned as an all-Chinese car I think. Is that the product made by NAC?

Otherwise, I'm glad it's only the short version of events he is recounting. No wonder he's called Professor Wind!

Interestingly enough, I've not seen those "autoscoops" pictures (even if they are old Peter Stevens pictures).

That 75 looks like one of those big Alfas (164? 166?) at the front with the longship-shaped grille!

My first mod for it would be to put the rear numberplate on the rear bumper - or did that already happen in the facelift? (bumlift?)

[PatrickT]

someone is playing silly buggers with the www.autoscoops.net website.

that's not actually your computer deciding to display the IE "can't load page" page in ducth, rather the contents of the entire index file are merely a screendump of the above as a jpeg.

www.autoscoops.net is very much online - but not serving up what it's supposed to.

[Art]

In the section regarding the engine supply does the followinq quote indicate there may be four engines for the TF or is it meant to be 4 cylinders ?

"MGTF racing bicycle engine has four section, respectively is 1.6L, the 1.8L two displacements four section engines. TF has a section engine is 1.8VVC, VVC (VariableValveControl) "

[andy]

Originally Posted by Art

In the section regarding the engine supply does the followinq quote indicate there may be four engines for the TF or is it meant to be 4 cylinders ?

"MGTF racing bicycle engine has four section, respectively is 1.6L, the 1.8L two displacements four section engines. TF has a section engine is 1.8VVC, VVC (VariableValveControl) "

I guess that would be TF110 (1.6), TF120 (auto/stepspeed 1.8?), TF135 (1.8) and TF160 (1.8VVC).

[Ian]

Originally Posted by andy

I guess that would be TF110 (1.6), TF120 (auto/stepspeed 1.8?), TF135 (1.8) and TF160 (1.8VVC).

Or even TF 115 (1.6)

[Windy]

I read it as 4 cylinders. Can they use the stepspeed, I expect that to be dropped?




On Steam Ford's acquisition of the Rover brand yesterday's incident emergency response


Everything is ready, except " Rover (Hereinafter referred to as' Rover ') "trademark SHANGHAI CNOOC Ltd.," SAIC shares ") were pressed won instant love. Yesterday, Ford Automobile (China) Corporation to the "First Financial Daily" confirmed that Ford has been involved in the purchase of Rover trademark. This may soon launch Rover vehicles SAIC shares, tantamount to "a bolt from the blue."


However, with the Rover 75, 25 and two Vehicle Intellectual property Automobile shares were prompt start "plan B", saying that none of the acquisition will not affect our own brands, trademarks Rover business, in accordance with established brand strategy, targeting the target consumer groups can create a brand new middle and high-end brands, add new content and brand positioning.


Ford won Love


2000. BMW Resolution Rover Group companies, LandRove ( Landrover ) Sold to the Ford Motor Company, and MG Rover car business will be transferred to the British venture capital business, reorganized MGRover Automobile Group Co., CNOOC "MGRover"). MG will transfer to a BMW trademark MGRover, but retains the Rover trademark, and authorized MG Rover production.


Yesterday, Ford (China) Corporation sent to the "First Financial Daily," the statement said Ford's right of pre-emption from an agreement six years ago. In 2000 the company financed the purchase of 2.7 billion U.S. dollars from the hands of BMW luxury SUV manufacturers LandRover (Landrover) brand to sign a trademark coexistence agreement, the right to buy should give consideration to use Rover brands. Ford September 18 this year BMW, Rover trademark hope the exercise of the right of pre-emption.


Ford Motor does not disclose the acquisition price, but according to "Time" (TheTimes) reported that Ford Motor BMW will be paid six million pounds. But Ford's News The spokesman said : "We are not ready to make public the specific plan for acquiring Rover brands. Rover Land Rover brand will be enhanced with the market performance, but also to the interests of the Land Rover brand. "


SAIC's Hand


In fact, Ford's bid for Rover, in addition to the reasons mentioned in the statement, it is noteworthy : Ford Motor currently operating difficulties, sold LandRover (Landrover), the news from time to time, so this time Ford bought Rover trademark, certainly not as simple as rich product line. Once Ford have all the Rover trademark, it LandRover (Landrover) greater value.


Meanwhile, Ford Motor has not want a competitor coming under the banner of Rover and Land Rover competition. A series of moves to promote it in the first half and Ford Motor was a priority in preparations for the exercise of the purchase of Rover.


First half of this year, SAIC shares on the secret to the State Trademark Bureau to register a large number of "road" in Chinese characters beginning of the trademark, which has aroused the vigilance Ford. "We all know that Ford suffered losses on the trademark, LandRover Chinese name 'LU Hu' is the fact that because they were forced to rename domestic manufacturers' Landrover 'SAIC registered a sudden massive' Road 'trademark characters, caused Ford's fierce reaction. "Ford (China) Corporation person told reporters.


SAIC vehicles in the first half of this year it plans to release a huge amount of products, according to SAIC of this long-term planning, SAIC vehicles will be introduced in the next three years including cars, a series of MPV and SUV models, which relies heavily on mid - to-high-end car market SAIC to "path" in Chinese characters future products registered trademark, Rover and Land Rover will inevitably cause the similarity between the association.


"Rover brands in overseas markets, a certain degree of visibility and awareness, such as the use of the brand, to some extent, we have to open up overseas markets to shorten the process," SAIC shares in the public relations said, "We did the trademark on the Rover and BMW brand companies approached. "


Yesterday, SAIC shares through a period of emergency consultations after the afternoon to the "First Financial Daily," sent a statement revealed : "SAIC's own projects progressed smoothly and according to plan early October we will officially announce it in its own projects as an international brand name, and shortly thereafter, released the first products Sales at the end of the year listed. "


Meanwhile, SAIC In this statement clearly said : "SAIC will be in accordance with established brand strategy, targeting our target consumer groups to create a brand new middle and high-end brands, add new content and brand positioning. "


Clearly, may lose Rover after the "plan B" has been rapidly started. Property owners currently Rover -- BMW is in a storm, but their attitude is extremely ambiguous, saying "Ford confirmed to exercise the right of pre-emption." Such a "fence" mean perceived.

[Little James]

Originally Posted by Windy

SAIC statement : to create a Chinese brand in the international arena

【 Source : Sohu car 】 【 Author : Roundup 】
http://auto.sohu.com/20060919/n245427299.shtml


Editor's note : At 17:56 on September 18, 2006, against Ford's sudden declaration, the emergency response made it in the public relations, the first time made its decision to Sohu vehicles are to be published in full as follows :

As Ford Automobile Company announced that it will formally exercise of the right of pre-emption Rover brand, we have been receiving telephone friends in the media and asked to address the related issues.


In this connection, Shanghai Automobile Co., Ltd. (SAIC shares) to make the following statement :

1. SAIC has always followed a higher starting point of international development strategy. First, we already have our own products in the original Rover ( Rover ) 75 all IPR based on the synergy SAIC overseas (Europe) research and development team in a new development, the technology and quality will be higher than the original product. Rover brands in overseas markets is a certain visibility and recognition of the foundation, and the taste and quality of our products have a certain relationship. If using Rover brands will to a certain extent reduce our overseas market exploration process. Owing to its influence in the overseas market, we have the trademark on the Rover and BMW brands of contact all relevant companies. However, we believe that the creation of the brands of consumer products and services based on experience. We believe that through the integration of global resources, the development potential of China's auto industry overall, in time, can build up in the international market, international brands owned by the Chinese people.

2. In the domestic market, according to market it in the grasp of the goals and market positioning, and we will do it in accordance with an established brand strategy, targeting our target consumer groups to create a brand new middle and high-end brands, add new content and brand positioning, providing Chinese consumers to experience new products and services.

3. Currently, SAIC's own projects progressed smoothly and according to plan early October, we will officially announce it in the first independent international brand name, and shortly thereafter, released the first products listed in sales by year end.

Windy, could you please translate this article to a correct english?
I would like to understand it, because i see it follows the announcement of Ford. Thanks

[Windy]

Originally Posted by Tiago Bueso

Windy, could you please translate this article to a correct english?
I would like to understand it, because i see it follows the announcement of Ford. Thanks

Is this any better?

Indicação de SAIC: para criar um tipo chinês na arena internacional

【 Fonte: Carro 】 de Sohu; 【 Autor: Roundup 】
http://auto.sohu.com/20060919/n245427299.shtml


Nota do editor: Em 17:56 setembro em 18, 2006, de encontro à declaração repentina de Ford, a resposta da emergência f4-la nas relações públicas, a primeira vez que feito sua decisão aos veículos de Sohu deve ser publicada dentro completamente como segue:

Porque Ford Automóvel Companhia anunciou que formalmente exercício da direita do tipo do vagabundo do pre-emption, nós temos recebido os amigos do telefone nos meios e pedidos para dirigir-se às edições relacionadas.


Nesta conexão, automóvel Co. de Shanghai, Ltd. (partes de SAIC) para fazer a seguinte indicação:

1. SAIC seguiu sempre um ponto começar mais elevado da estratégia internacional do desenvolvimento. Primeiramente, nós temos já nossos próprios produtos no vagabundo original (vagabundo) 75 todos os IPR baseados na pesquisa ultramarina do synergy SAIC (Europa) e equipe do desenvolvimento em um desenvolvimento novo, a tecnologia e a qualidade será mais elevada do que o produto original. Os tipos do vagabundo em mercados ultramarinos são alguns visibilidade e recognition da fundação, e o gosto e a qualidade de nossos produtos têm um determinado relacionamento. Se usando tipos do vagabundo queira a alguma extensão reduzem nosso processo da exploração do mercado ultramarino. Devido a sua influência no mercado ultramarino, nós temos a marca registrada todos do vagabundo e do BMW nos tipos do contato companhias relevantes. Entretanto, nós acreditamos que a criação dos tipos dos produtos e dos serviços de consumidor baseados na experiência. Nós acreditamos que com a integração de recursos globais, o potencial do desenvolvimento macacão da indústria de China do auto, a tempo, pode construir acima no mercado internacional, os tipos internacionais possuídos pelos povos chineses.

2. No mercado doméstico, de acordo com o mercado no aperto dos objetivos e o mercado que posiciona, e em nós fá-lo-á de acordo com uma estratégia estabelecida do tipo, alvejando nossos grupos do consumidor do alvo para criar um médio brandnew e os tipos high-end, adicionam posicionar novo do índice e de tipo, fornecendo consumidores chineses aos produtos novos e aos serviços da experiência.

3. Atualmente, próprios projetos de SAIC progrediram lisamente e de acordo com a planta de outubro adiantado, nós anunciá-la-emos oficialmente no primeiro nome de tipo internacional independente, e logo depois disso, liberado os primeiros produtos alistados nas vendas pelo ano termine.

[Little James]

It's worst!!!
The english translation is better than the portuguese one
Could you please translate the article to a correct english?

[Windy]

Originally Posted by Tiago Bueso

Could you please translate the article to a correct english?

This article has a summary written in correct english for you:

"It is nothing short of SAIC lifting a rock only to drop it on their own feet."



Rover SAIC and her trademark "crushing"

World Business Report (Date : 2006-09-21 08:48)
http://biz.icxo.com/htmlnews/2006/09/21/947396.htm

Some things come suddenly. Everyone thought that SAIC has become the trademark Rover vehicle pocket, the result of this announcement is only a matter of time, Ford resorted to the trump card -- exercising its right of pre-emption. The outcome, the matter involving several automobile giants have felt the embarrassment.

Originally, it is a normal commercial activity, like the Ford China errs children, eager to explain to the media : its acquisition of the reason is to better protect themselves from the "Land Rover" brand. The implication is that Ford no intention of attacking their own brands.

Meanwhile, the vendor has been accused BMW, said BMW automobile and SAIC bid to sow discord between the South and the opportunity to raise prices, the final objective was achieved valuations, the trademark was sold to Ford.

South steam mood may be more complicated, and the SAIC bid for Rover's assets last year, has been regarded as a typical "Wolidou." South again, and finally abandoned it in rush to purchase automobile, the first to release their own brand names Lord. Now, the Rover trademark without falling into the hands of their competitors, South steam somewhat fortunate. Some insiders who received the Southern Steam related news, links to the two employees.

SAIC is the car is the most embarrassing. It should be said that SAIC shares in the form SAIC automobile brand platform, the acquisition Rover trademark has been its people into a hot news director.

Indeed, SAIC has been working to prepare for both cars. Ford's acquisition of the Rover trademark in the news a few hours later, SAIC set cars on the outside and their own brand of the timetable.

Obviously, the car has it in the hope that the media and public attention to the early stage of its acquisition of the Rover trademark, the acquisition is successful, SAIC quickly establish their own brands in the society. The result was that public opinion so that its SAIC won a high-profile vehicle, "Rover" trademark placed high expectations, SAIC will give an even greater disappointment of being defeated, it is nothing short of SAIC car lifting a rock only to drop it on their own feet.

[Ann MG Writer]

Originally Posted by Windy

Anyone know how to access Autoscoops

www.autoscoops.net don't seem to work and
I want to see these pictures of an MG 7Z :







So how can I get access to them?

As noted above, these images were 'alf inched from Peter Stevens's website. Note that the car on which the clay has been worked is the two door: I saw the (all steel) two-door Rover 75 being built, and they told me it was originally to have had this new nose and tail from the start, but in the event the P4 decided to save the so-called '2007 facelift' for another day.

[Windy]

Originally Posted by Ann MG Writer

As noted above, these images were 'alf inched from Peter Stevens's website. Note that the car on which the clay has been worked is the two door: I saw the (all steel) two-door Rover 75 being built, and they told me it was originally to hav e had this new nose and tail from the start, but in the event the P4 decided to save the so-called '2007 facelift' for another day.

It needs a bit more work if the nose is to be used by MG one day, tail could be used though.

It seems they where probably taken from Keiths site, gaining the MG7Z label in the process.

[Windy]

Just for Tiago, I won't translate this next article into Chinese and back again .

Its not about MG but for those that think Nanjing is small:


Iveco develops China production
Wednesday 20 September 2006
http://www.fullyloaded.com.au/index....p=displaystory

Iveco Trucks has signed a joint venture agreement with Nanjing Automotive Corporation to to boost production of light to medium trucks and buses in China.

The JV called Naveco will purchase the commercial vehicle related business of the NAC controlled Yuejin Motor Corp.

Iveco and its parent Fiat Group have been operating for more than two decades in Nanjing, and the new Naveco will develop both the Iveco based and Chinese based light and medium commercial vehicles.

Iveco has been producing 20,000 Dailys a year through Naveco, while Yuejin has been producing 50,000 light to medium trucks and buses a year. (Iveco has a separate JV producing heavy trucks with SIAC Motor Corp in Chongqing.)

Naveco (after taking over Yuejin) expects to manufacture 70,000 light and medium commercial vehicles a year, with the medium term goal of 100,000.

The current Yuejin range is undergoing 'an aggressive product improvement plan' through the introduction of Iveco technologies, including emission compliant engines, according to FIAT Group CEO Sergio Marchionne.

Naveco will produce more than 200 models in six segments from 3 to 6 tonnes, including light and medium buses, military offroad and special vehicle.

Yuejin produces 400 models, including passengers cars separately with Fiat, as well as light duty trucks and buses, and a host of small passenger/cargo and agricultural vehicles not the the Fiat/Iveco JVs. for overall production of 180,000 vehicles a year.

Thats a lot of trucks!

[Little James]

Originally Posted by Windy

This article has a summary written in correct english for you:

"It is nothing short of SAIC lifting a rock only to drop it on their own feet."



Rover SAIC and her trademark "crushing"

World Business Report (Date : 2006-09-21 08:48)
http://biz.icxo.com/htmlnews/2006/09/21/947396.htm

Some things come suddenly. Everyone thought that SAIC has become the trademark Rover vehicle pocket, the result of this announcement is only a matter of time, Ford resorted to the trump card -- exercising its right of pre-emption. The outcome, the matter involving several automobile giants have felt the embarrassment.

Originally, it is a normal commercial activity, like the Ford China errs children, eager to explain to the media : its acquisition of the reason is to better protect themselves from the "Land Rover" brand. The implication is that Ford no intention of attacking their own brands.

Meanwhile, the vendor has been accused BMW, said BMW automobile and SAIC bid to sow discord between the South and the opportunity to raise prices, the final objective was achieved valuations, the trademark was sold to Ford.

South steam mood may be more complicated, and the SAIC bid for Rover's assets last year, has been regarded as a typical "Wolidou." South again, and finally abandoned it in rush to purchase automobile, the first to release their own brand names Lord. Now, the Rover trademark without falling into the hands of their competitors, South steam somewhat fortunate. Some insiders who received the Southern Steam related news, links to the two employees.

SAIC is the car is the most embarrassing. It should be said that SAIC shares in the form SAIC automobile brand platform, the acquisition Rover trademark has been its people into a hot news director.

Indeed, SAIC has been working to prepare for both cars. Ford's acquisition of the Rover trademark in the news a few hours later, SAIC set cars on the outside and their own brand of the timetable.

Obviously, the car has it in the hope that the media and public attention to the early stage of its acquisition of the Rover trademark, the acquisition is successful, SAIC quickly establish their own brands in the society. The result was that public opinion so that its SAIC won a high-profile vehicle, "Rover" trademark placed high expectations, SAIC will give an even greater disappointment of being defeated, it is nothing short of SAIC car lifting a rock only to drop it on their own feet.

Thanks, Windy!

[Windy]

Big day tomorow - the first MG Steam engine will officially come off the assembly line...

[Windy]

Another interview with project director Zhang Xin:



Brand visit? South Automobile figures article : "The biggest risk is time"

Autozj.zjol.com.cn September 25, 2006 Rose cars
http://auto.zjol.com.cn/05car/system...07893415.shtml

South Automobile name Lord (MG) MG project director Zhang Xin on how rejuvenated


September 13, the French window in the office, Zhang Xin said : "I can see here in Britain. "Hu Wei Wei perturbation



Hsin said that the current college entrance examination like facing children, many parents are beside the teacher's attention, but also very confident for themselves, thinking about next year can be admitted to the University -- he is now the most famous name in Southern Lord Steam project director.

According to the Southern Steam internal sources, Zhang Xin is a core level of seven members of the Southern Group of steam only done on people at the grass-roots level, Zhang Xin said : "I was in Nanjing Iveco, and the acquisition of Rover was with me the whole arrangement is not a direct relationship. "But the final seven members Hsin became Rover project director.

Zhang Xin graduated from Shanghai Jiaotong University's mechanical engineering department, the first job is to steam south, he said : "I steam for 20 years in the South, the most exciting and the most richly varied life in the 1990s never left South automobile door step. South vapor can list all the levels, I have done every job. "Zhang Xin automobile transport companies in the South (the South automobile logistics), done more than 10 years, When the 2007 manager, drove, drove into the trough when the general manager. Last year more than 3,000 people drove south to achieve more than 20 million automobile sales revenues and profits of more than 100 million, is the only profitable auto South steam, and the Southern Automobile Group is like the practical work rather than sitting back and pontificating. With Zhang Xin, as saying that the leaders of very important ways, a good ideological foundation will be a good development.

Steam reed mat camp at the South 68 new commercial buildings located in downtown Nanjing, a very modern architectural style. Out of the elevator, we had to face the MGZS, MGZR Business English Corner and the exquisite pictures, you can do so at any time when the lift one or two English. The building is a three-tier level assigned to the southern city were Steam (MG) : 3rd Floor, East product engineering, procurement and supply of the West is the Ministry of Information and IT equipment and plants, four House Construction 5 floor office space which is the top leaders of office space, financial headquarters.

Zhang Xin's office in the fifth floor, bright and spacious, and the other is a transparent glass wall, we can see the scenery outside and a large crowd, said Zhang Xin from the glass wall, I would like to see the United Kingdom. Office walls are all pictures of MG cars and engines.

Zhang Xin always referred to their team, although that may be difficult, but two heads are always able to find a way to solve the problem. "I have great confidence in South steam chairman, I have great trust in the leadership, I have no one to blame and nonsense, nothing to worry about, not compliments. "Hsin said.

Xin Jing Bao : Earlier, it is generally suspected South possibility BMW automobile operation unsuccessful brands to maximize the residual value to use, or even suspected Southern Steam no capital and talents to planning a 100-year-old brand, so that a revival of auto products, it is how you give confidence to the people under their confidence and send out?

Zhang Xin : We like the EU, but I only took a row and if I had a camp, I can send some people to beat the drums, to tough, but I do not, we can only assault. As for the confidence, we have recently completed the installation and testing of engine production lines, a linear motor, we are naturally very happy, very confident.

Xin Jing Bao : MG chief steam since the start of the South, you have several lines of work which has focused its attention on the progress?

Zhang Xin developed : the acquisition of Southern heritage steam, the technology of the developed countries, in a high-end platform, the basic conditions are quick, if diligently to do this project, there will be successful. However, we must be quick, who will resume production, we are challenging the limit, a year's time to resume production lines to come up with products that passed testing, multi-dimensional integrated cross to the operation, it is my head since focused its attention on the work. I have a lot of the timetable, I did it according to the progress of the work, if necessary to slow the red light, my team also very tense.

Xin Jing Bao : South automobile brand name from the founding of this city, which is characterized by what? South automobile based on what kind of car to build a brand? In other words, how to fight like a British brand and create a Chinese brand?

Zhang Xin : British MG brand, brand-name home city. Our greatest characteristic is through mergers and acquisitions, the company developed a high level of a high standard platform used to create high-quality products.

Like Chery and Geely, they start from scratch, has gone in 1956, but our starting point higher. Our innovation is reflected in our brand culture innovation, the concept of international both in the home and complete localization. In the course of the domestic automobile industry to establish the core technology innovation, we absorb, we also need to upgrade. Manufacturing, we will improve the program to upgrade and do quality improvement.

More on our brand, Austin, we will refer to the characteristics of the product planning. For example, there are many complicated MG Rover's ancient classic cars, like ancient Chinese rosewood furniture, the appropriate time we will launch our brand.

However, we were still the main direction of Lord (MG), the question now is how we like the old brand fresh with youth and given new meaning to the old brand, and this is our responsibility.


: "Xin Jing Bao," said Wang Haoliang, chairman of the South Rover automobile acquisition risk, but this is the last chance for South steam. This pressure is the biggest risk to you?

Zhang Xin : I do not buy the argument that this is the last chance before the Southern steam with management problems, but we have the wisdom and ability will improve.

Which enterprises do not have the crest of the wave trough, not to mention the losses we are still not all enterprises are not insolvent. Nanjing Iveco 1-8 月份 150 million in profits, an increase of 100 million over the same period last year, it is good business.

We are now the biggest risk is "time", in strict accordance with our timetable to implement.


This months, I have from darkness to dawn, as the good weather feel very comfortable feeling. Because almost all the difficulties are resolved in accordance with the goals I expected, which is in line with my work habits, but also conforms to my logic, in the framework of this work more enjoyable. This is a difficult, but in a happy, happy also to the people around the work. (Wei et al.)

Author : Editor : In sheep Source : Xin Jing Bao

[SteveChilds]

Sorry, but I had to split your thread into 2, as long threads can bog the server down when you read them and at over 1300 posts, its a long 'un!