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Old 23-06-2003, 09:44   #1
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TF air-con unit

dear MGTF aficionados,
might anyone have any sort of advise on how to make that nasty Valeo(?) box disappear?
anybody know whether MGR are thinking about any sort of improvement for the next production lines?
pls keep in mind, average temperatures in Greece during the summer are between 25o and 40o; an air-conditioning unit IS necessary
a great site, keep up the good work
thanksalot
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Old 24-06-2003, 09:50   #2
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Gia sou,

Logika milas ellinika!
Apo oti katalava enois to mayro kouti sta podia tou sinodigou...? Den nomizo oti mporis na to ksefortothis, ektos ke an ksilosis to aircondition! Mallon oxi ke toso praktiko! Pio TF exis?
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Old 24-06-2003, 11:26   #3
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geiaaa

geiaaaa,
plaka exei pou yparxei elliniko stoixeio pantou, e?
eixame paliotera ena B stin Ellada, meta ena F-VVC stin Agglia, twra exw mia Alfa 156, kai kalws erxontwn, se poly ligo ena 160
mou kathontai sto laimo orismenes leptomereies omws, kai dystyxws i edw antiproswpeia den exei ti diathesi gia polla polla:
1. to kouti tou air-con, mallon kataskeuis Valeo, sta podia tou synodigou einai aparadekto kata tin tapeini mou gnwmi
2. ta xeiristireia twn flash kai twn yalokatharistirwn einai apo to 'Metro' tou 1990-95
3. den exeia alla3ei tipota apo to teleutaio eswteriko tou F, proswpika briskw tin poiotita twn ylikwn metria, eidika otan to autokinito ekteithetai ston ilio kai ti zesti tis Elladas
4. den eimai apolyta sigouros oti i beltiwsi ston kinitira egine pragmati se osi ektasi tha eprepe, toulaxiston o fobos mou gia HGF den exei e3aleifthei
esy mallon eixes problima me HGF ap'oti fainetai apo to nick sou, egw to eswsa tin teleutaia stigmi to '97
5. to kibwtio den einai oso konto kai ameso tha ithela, toulaxiston yparxoun kapoies enallaktikes lyseis stin agora
6. den exw idiaitera kali gnwmi gia ta service eidika sta VVC stin Ellada
esy exeis kanenan kalo mixaniko pou na empisteuesai?
auta apo ti syntomi epafi mou me ena 135 pou odigw opote eimai Germania
se zalisa mipws?
ti gnwmi exeis?
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Old 24-06-2003, 12:35   #4
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Hrakli harika episis!
Loipon ta pragmata einai ontos apogoiteytika opos ta parusiazis. To kouti sta podia tu sinodigou ine ontos aparadekto (mpenun sto F mou ke me rotane me aporia...Ti einai ayto!!!???). Gia ta plastika-esoteriko simfono apolitos-den exei allaksi tipota! Gia HGF tora...Stin antiprosopia pou phgaino exo di arketa TF me HGF distixos kenurgia! Emena otan mu parusiase flantza, o mixanikos mu ipe oti eftegan oi odigoi pou itan plastikoi ke tous antikatastise me siderenious tou TF (kati analogo poulai ke o Mike Satur). Alla ayto pou me ekneyrisi afantasta einai pou ke sto TF den alaksan ton sxediasmo tis koukoulas,lastixa,kathreptes, pou eno ikseran oti mpazi neraki sto F to afisan to idio ke sto TF! Perito na su po oti exo pai se diafores antiprosopies pano apo 15 fores ke akoma mpazi! Krima giati einai poli omorfo roadster! Prosopika phgaina ston Ntagounaki, alla distixos apo september pavei na kanei service Rover ke tha einai mono BMW! To F pou eixes apo provlimatakia pos itan?
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Old 24-06-2003, 14:29   #5
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dystyxws fainetai oti einai opws ta les kai esy
ap'oti ematha i etaireia pou sxediase ton klimatismo, i Valeo, to ekane etsi ws lysi anagkis, me skopo na to anapty3ei se epomenes seires paragwgis, omws me tin elleipsi xrimatodotisis logw tou periergou idioktisiakou kathestwtos me ti BMW to plano egkataleifthike ado3a
otan 3ekatharise i katastasi kai efyge apo to topio i BMW, ta kondylia pou diethese i MGR gia tin e3eli3i tou TF den eparkousan gia teleiws nea platforma, kyriws logw tou yperbolikou kostous twn crash tests, opote ta xrimata dioceteuthikan A. ston e3wteriko sxediasmo, tin aerodynamiki symperifora, kai se liges alles beltiwseis pou aforoun tin emfanisi kai oxi tin poiotita kataskeuis, kai B. stin epanasxediasi twn anartisewn
outws i allws oi pwliseis paremenan psila, kai me ti nea opsi ektokseutikan akoma psilwtera
i MGR ypostirizei oti exei alla3ei tin koukoula kai oti ta kainouria TF den mpazoun katholou
ontws to TF pou sou eipa sti Germania den exei balei katholou nero, an kai exei faei xontres broxes to xeimwna pou mas perase
den 3erw omws ean auto isxyei gia ola, i ean etyxe aplws
gia HGF se kainouria TF den eixa 3anakousei - den gnwrizw kai kanenan Ellina idioktiti dystyxws (plin tou Germanou filou mou den gnwrizw genika kanenan allo proswpika) - kai omologw oti apogoiteuomai pou mou to les
kai pali i MGR ypostirizei oti exei beltiwsei olo to systima psy3is, alla den 3erw ean to kainourio kapaki einai poiotika oso kalo leei i MGR pou ontws exei alla3ei ta ylika kataskeuis kai exei antikatastisei tis flatzes
sta diafora fora den mporesa na diabasw tpt sxetiko me HGF gia ta TF
sto site tou Dieter Koennecke mpaineis katholou? oute kai ekei exei infos, paroti exei megalo ogko pliroforiwn gia to sygkekrimeno thema
den 3erw, mipws einai pio e3ypno na perimenei kaneis tin epomeni seira, pou ap'oti fainetai tha einai to 2004
esy tha to epairnes pali, i sou perase?
egw den to eixa pote gia megala xronika diastimata, tin teleutaia 15etia alla3a 4 xwres diamonis logw spoudwn kai douleias, kai mallon gi' auto mou karfwthike toso na to parw epitelous twra pou eimai monima stin Ellada, xaxaxa
BTW, pws einai to onoma sou?
to Email mou an den theleis na eimaste se genikoteri thea einai contactira@yahoo.gr
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Old 24-06-2003, 14:31   #6
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mikro lathos

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Old 25-06-2003, 07:37   #7
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oooops signomi! To onoma mu einai Kyriakos! Sto site tu Dieter mpeno sinexia ke mporo na po oti o anthropos exi kani "PhD" pano sto MGF! Epidi milaga me ton mixaniko stin antiprosopia mu ipe ta eksis: To moter einai idio ke aparalakto sto F/TF me tin moni diafora oti oi odigoi (kefalis) einai metalikoi anti gia plastikoi (logos ke gia ta perissotera HGF sta F's). Tora oi veltiosois sto thema psiksis, o mixanikos gelage ke pou to akouse...Oson anafora to nero pou mpazei simvenei to eksis apo oti mu eksigise: Xaraktiristika mu eipe: An alakso ola ta lastixa tis koukoulas ke tou frame tou parathirou, ke rithmistoun apo tin arxi den tha mpazei, omos epeidi to amaksoma (logo cabrio) strevlonete otan pernai apo anomalies dromou, meta apo kapio diastima tha arxisi na mpazei ksana! To idio simveni ke me ta TF, apla epeidi einai poli kenurgia akoma den mpazun(perimene kana xrono ke tha dis!)! I alithia einai oti den mu perase, apla skeftomun na doso to F mu ke na paro to TF, pragma to opio den tha kano, giati sto kato kato tis grafis den prokite na doso kapia extra ekatomiria gia na paro kati pou ksero eksarxis oti ligo poli exei ta idia provlimata me to diko mu! Kratao ke to diko mu an einai etsi! Poso pia aksizi pia ayti i epansxediasmeni anartisi ke oi aisthitikes allages sto TF! Alithia exei steilei kanenas pote gramma diamartirias stin MGR me ola ta provlimata, oi kimounte ton ypno tou dikeou..? Gia kenurgia ekdosi tou TF, den to polivlepo sintoma, mias ke i MGR pistevi ke theori oti to TF einai 100% problem free!!! Telika mipos eprepe na exo parei ena mx5 ke na kimame isixos ke na ksero oti otan to doso den tha xaso draxmi?...Ala pali de mu aresi oso to MG! Ti spoudazeis an epitrepete?
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Old 25-06-2003, 09:17   #8
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geia sou Kyriako,
nai, swsta to topotheteis
mou fainetai oti kyriarxei mia sxetiki aggliki yperopsia stin MGR (i den kanei na leme tetoia se auto to forum?), einai adianoito na min exoun beltiwsei toulaxiston ta basika tou kinitira apo to 95 pou kykloforei to F mexri simera
akoma kai oti epaneferan symbatikes anartiseis meta apo 7 xronia epimonis se mia patenta pou den tous bgike, to thewroun poly gennaio bima, an krinw apo tis kataxwriseis tous ston bretaniko typo
anyways, egw den spoudazw pia (an kai poly tha ithela na gyrnousa pisw se ekeina ta xronia), ergazomai se mia etaireia yachting ston Alimo kai menw Glyphada (btw, exeis kanei pote istioploia?), esy me ti asxoleisai?
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Old 25-06-2003, 09:37   #9
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Orea xronia ontos...Ego teliosa agglia (electronics eng.) ke ergazome stin Int***om, paralila ime ke sto polytexnio opou kano Ph.D pano se chip design. Anyways... Istioploia to sizitaga na ksekiniso apo september me tin kopela mu ke kati files tis (aytes vasika exun perissoteri epafi...ke pane na me pisun). Ego meno N.kifisia, voria dhladh. To peri yperopsias, isxii akradanta genikotera stin agglia! Kalitera na kripsume to provlima para na paradexthume oti iparxi!! Edo kapia stigmi ethiksa to thema aksiopistias sto forum (an psaksis ta post mu tha dis, iparxi ke allos ena ellinas mesa) ke tolmisa na po oti to mx5 ine poli pio aksiopisto (to MG pio omorfo,classy,blah) ke pesan na me fane kiriolektika!!! Atoma ta opia exun kani gia paradigma post gia water leaks, HGF ke ala, isxirizontusan meta, oti den tithete tetio thema!! Ine na trelenese!!!
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Old 25-06-2003, 10:53   #10
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...kali fasi electr.eng., se mia alli zwi isws na to akolouthousa, egw exw kanei oikonomika kai nautiliaka se Agglia kai Germania kai doulepsa kapoia xronia stin Agglia kai stin Elbetia se nautiliakes etaireies me dialeimma gia strato-esy piges?
i istioploia einai poly kali fasi, kai a3izei na kaneis kai mono gia na gnwriseis tin empeiria, gia na pareis diplwma se omilo xreiazontai peripou 2-3 mines mathimata me 1 fora thewria kai 1 fora praktiki ana ebdomada, ean apofasiseis poté, pes mou na sou pw perissoteres leptomereies, me ti fili mou pame synithws triimera (exei diplwma kai ekeini), an kai ton teleutaio kairo eimaste pigmenoi kai oi dyo kai exoume egkataleipsei ta panta...
oi Aggloi, oso tous gnwrisa egw mesa apo ergasiako periballon kai paroti den mou aresoun oi genikeuseis, exoun dyo basika xaraktiristika: a. einai ntropaloi ws pros to pws ekfrazoun ta synaisthimata tous (kamia sxesi me mesogeiako taperamento), kai b. sikwnoun to xali kai rixnoun ti skoni apo katw gia na mi fainetai, anti na katharisoun teleiws, den me ekplisei i stasi tous sto forum, eidika otan tous thigeis to kamari tous
gnwrizesai me allous idioktites MG stin Ellada?
me ton allon Ellina sto forum?
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Old 25-06-2003, 11:49   #11
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Etsi einai opos ta les...Strato oxi akoma, an ke esios ftano ta 28!! Kapia stigmi...kala 30 me vlepo! Gia istioploia apo telos augustu tha se rotiso giati me endiaferi. Kapion pou na ksero kala oxi, an ke exo gnorisi kata kerus diafora atoma me MG. To pedi pou einai sto forum exei ena MGTF 135 ala tha lipi eksoteriko gia 6 mines, apo oti mu ipe. Esi pote sxediazis gia to TF?
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Old 25-06-2003, 13:04   #12
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...gia to TF den to exw apofasisei pote akribws, lew gia meta to kalokairi Sept/Okt mallon, dystyxws auti ti stigmi eimai se fasi pou epeigei na metakomisw kai den exw brei spiti akoma, kai episis skeftomai an tha dwsw kai tin 156, pou opou na'nai pataei ta 60000xlm, syn oti den dianyw kai periodo zuper oikonomikis anesis, diathetw omws ypomoni
ase pou i MGR sti Bouliagmenis, pou exei kleisei periergws(?) edw kai ena mina peripou, otan piga na parw prosfora gia to 160, me rwtise a. an thelw to 115 (pou den to thelw) kai b. afou epimenw gia to 160, giati den perimenw to prwto retousarisma to 2004! pws sou fainetai auto? i3eran kati parapanw i oxi? ki an nai, mipws autou tou typou i politiki pwlisewn ftaiei pou ekleisan? proteinan se ypopsifio agorasti na parei autokinito apo to stock tous i na perimenei 6 mines gia tin epomeni seira paragwgis! kai giati diladi an ithela to 115 na min perimena pali tin kainouria seira? mono stin Ellada ginontai auta mou fainetai...
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Old 25-06-2003, 13:15   #13
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Why hasn't anyone else joined in with this thread yet!

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Old 25-06-2003, 13:29   #14
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Angry

Hhhhmmm.....'Cause you're not multilingo..

Mas tin psilolene pou milame ellinika...
Opote tha sou steilo mail...classic agliki ironiki erotisi...Ta neyra mu!@**/*!@!
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lol - there's no Greek online translator either!

To answer your question - I don't know. I only saw a TF recently with Aircon for the first time - didn't realise it was quite as bad as it is. I'm sure if it could be moved easily, MGR would have done it already... but I'm no expert on it! What part of the Air Con system is it?
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...we were both overwhelmed by the unexpected encounter at an English forum, no offense meant...

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Steve, thank you for your swift reply
the grotesquely placed air-con box, can -according to the MGR representative in Greece, whom we have no reason to doubt- find no better position due to lack of space (apparently, MGR was unwilling and/or unable to invest on a new platform when designing the TF)
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gently bypassing the ironic tone of the above fellow MG lovers, please allow some further comments, which have been the subject of the above exchange of communication in Greek:

we believe it would be very nice if MGR would:

1. improve the overall engine quality and engine-parts durability, erasing any HGF-anxiety off the suspected and much-suffered-in-the-past drivers’ minds,

2. upgrade a. the current see-through-a-fast-wear-and-tear-naylon-window rear view, maybe by offering a hood with a heated glass rear screen, and b. the overall hood insulation to eliminate the well known to us all leakages (can the excessively advertised body-stiffening alone guarantee lack of leakages after a few thousand miles?)

3. offer a reliable (better even 6-speed sequential and non-) sporting gear box,

4. after so many years of having the F-now-TF in production, finally offer a real in-length-and-height-adjustable wheel, allowing the comfortable accommodation of bigger drivers, combined with lowered seats,

5. refine the plastic low budget Metro-aesthetics of the windscreen-wiper and indicator switches,

6. offer roll-bars and, why not?, 2x front- plus 2x side-airbags as standard safety features,

7. redesign the interior, to a. modernize, and b. distinguish the TF from the last F line,

8. offer sporting bucket seats,

9. upgrade the leather and plastics quality of the interior (kindly take into consideration, that mediterranean countries including Greece, average 25o-40oC temperatures May through September, and cars are exposed to a very strong daily sun, and

10. make that nasty looking, space-consuming, Valeo(?)-designed air-con box disappear from the passenger’s feet ASAP

please note, that we regard the new suspension as an obligatory and not an innovative choice, since the Hydragas-system proved to be inadequate and uncomfortable especially at high speeds

to be honest, since the first F was launched back in 1995, we were expecting the 2002 TF would offer more... and yes, we are willing to pay the additional cost to the already high -all parameters considered including the above 10 issues- current price, if we could have all the above in return

we do realise of course that, since the TF is experiencing huge worldwide sales, at least according to MGR (the exact opposite is true for the relatively small Greek market) MGR wouldn’t be willing to direct a significant amount of funds to an upgrade that would incorporate any or all of the above at this time, so wouldn't it be safe to think it is wiser to patiently wait for the production lines of the (let’s hope not so) distant future?

our kindest regards from Athens Greece, happy home of the 2004 Olympic and Paralympic Games
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...would be nice to see what you people think about that...
send some thoughts!
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All the points have a valid basis, but welcome to the club of spending MGR development funds! Its something most people love to do on here

The reality however if if MGR want to return to the states with a roadster, they will have to address each of your points. Its intersting how times change - its getting to the point where even in the UK converables are offered as standard with air conditioning and electric hoods regardless of size! I have even seen an MGF with aircon and electric hood and you lost the glovebox and room for your pasengers feet! Wish I had a smart answer for you but I don't.
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