ZS180 Fitting New VIS Valves, Manifold, Plugs & Catch Tank - MG-Rover.org Forums

lou123 · 08-01-2009, 20:39

Oh well have i had a friggin day or what!

OK, plan was, fit VIS valves to see if it cures me rattle, if not, fit new manifold, fit new plugs, while im there, and fit me oil catch tank. Did everything go to plan?

Did it ******!

Right, so, first off, i wanted to see if it was the VIS valves causing me rattle before i went and started taking off manifolds. So, off i went....

That one bloody screw is a right pain in the backside. SO made myself a little tool to make life easier lol

Once this screws out, the rest is EASY PEEZY!

Old ones:

New Ones:

All fitted!

RATTLE STILL THERE!!!!!!

OK, so, luckily (or so i thought) my buddy got me an inlet manifold off a friend of a friend off a Freelander lmao AWESOME i thought, ill fit that with me new VIS valves!

Oh yeah right!

So, of i went, taking the other manifold off, disconected all the loom, plugs, vacummes, throttle etc etc etc

and it looks like this:

SORTED! Thats was EASY!!!!!

Went to fit the new one..................

Errrr.....................Its COMPLETELY different! Theres a lesson for you. Dont think your clever and fit a Freelander one - it dont fit lmao!

BALLS!!!!!!!

OK, now what sherlock as i dont wanna spend time fitting my old one back on as its fubard!

Head scratchin, head scratchin!

Lets open my old one up and see whats inside!

Easy, ill just unscrew these 10 screws and ill be able to get in there - WRONG! That cover is welded on with some superhuman glue! Would not come off without brute forse!

"OH Maaaaaaaaaaan"

Sod it, i dont wanna butcher my manifold as its the right one. I need to butcher the new one as its the wrong friggin one anyway.

So, made me a super sharp knife out of some steel i had lying about and off i went on my butchering ways . After 2 solid hours of hammering it to death and going through more screwdrivers than.........i dunno.....i went through a lot of screwdrivers lol

POP!

Off fell the cover

I'm in - YIPPPPPPPPPPY!!!!!!!!!!

Arse! These valve thingies here are sealed, i cant take them out and put them in mine!

GUTTED!

Sod it, im gonna have to put mine back on arnt i?

In walks me dad!

I say to him, "look at this dad, the arm in my manifold is moving so badly and look at the arm in the new one. Mines buggered, what am i gonna do."

So what does me dad do? Pulls the arm in my manifold SO it falls off inside!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo!

Oh my god! Now i have NO manifolds!

Sod it, mines got to come apart now. So, another million hours later, off pops the cover and out pops the arm. Loom at the state of this:

No wonder it fell bloody off. Theres hardly anything left of it! Them nice little round cylinder bits that clip onto the valve thingies are no more lol theyve all just cracked or fallen to pieces. One of them was even twisted!

OK batman, what ill do, is ill put my new arm onto my manifold. See if that cures it. All clipped on nice and tight:

Gave it a clean, along with the lid and the throttle body

Got me some RTV and sealed it back up.

So, while im waitin for the RTV. i fit me new tripple prong plug things

Out with the old, in with the new:

Now its gettin MEGA dark and im absolute shattered lol

But i thought id give me catch tank ago. I dont think ive plumed it right lmao so im gonna change it tomorrow - DOH! Thats what you get for working tired and hungry - plus im starting to stink lol

So, so far, the idea is there, just need to change me pipes lol

Right, so seen as ive made a rookie mistake (my first catch tank EVER lol) im off to bed and ill see if ive cured me rattle tomorrow morning and ill sort me catch tank out!

Comments welcome lol

shroonie29 · 08-01-2009, 20:49

Have you a pic of the wrong Plenum?
I'm sure some on XPF have fitted the LR one without issue.

Shroon

lou123 · 08-01-2009, 20:55

If you look at them, there IDENTICAL!, when you fit them. Its a WHOLE other story. The nipple is missing for that vacum type breather which comes off the fuel rail, there is a sensor missing and the throttle body doesnt fit lol i gave up looking for anything else that was wrong lol

Ill show you pics 2moz as now im in me nice warm bed lol

lou123 · 08-01-2009, 21:06

apologies for my language :-/ Just one of those LONG days lol

I've never worked on one of these before. There not all that hard really. Dont know why i was so scared of it lol

We will see if im saying the same when/ if i do the belts lol

stamford · 08-01-2009, 22:24

Those plenums are a challenge to separate aren't they!

I have three in my garage in various states of disrepair!

I keep talking about making a new arm but never seem to find the time. The fit and quality of the whole assembly is cheap and very poor.

sheddist · 09-01-2009, 00:09

Congrats to you for having the bottle to take your plenum apart.

Whne re-assembling, I suggest that you add a lot more screws to hold it together in the hope that it will not leak. Use number 4 self tapper - about 3mm diameter and drill a hole no smaller then 2.5 mm to tap them into. Maybe a bit bigger if they are too tight. With respect to sealaing, probably silicone is OK as it will fill the gaps - If you can get the joints very clean - try brake cleaner.

Best of luck!

lou123 · 09-01-2009, 08:51

that glue dont come of for ****** does it lol took AGES for me to even get it lookin "kinda" respectable lol i managed to get the same stuff used by MG to seal it all back together and ive left it in the house over night. Havin me breaky in a min and then off to see if it works. Wish me luck

xsduk · 09-01-2009, 12:36

Erm.....i probably should not say this, but when i repaired my VIS motors and refitted them, there was a rattle for a few minutes and i thought the same thing. In fact it sounded worse!

I took the car up the road and back, and now i have not heard a rattle for two weeks! Quiet as a mouse!

bandit123 · 09-01-2009, 12:57

sweet mate nice job good to see you also had the time to take pics and post them very usefull

lou123 · 09-01-2009, 22:53

and by gosh its bloody worked lol feels like a TOTALLY different car. Really responsive, pulls like a train and no more annoyin rattle

Happy days! Not bad for a girlie eh

More pics to follow

lou123 · 11-01-2009, 17:44

ok guys, spot the difference

Heres the Freelander manifold

and heres my MG manifold

lou123 · 11-01-2009, 17:50

ok, im being impatient lol ill tell ya.

These pieces are missing:

you see?

bertiebowser · 16-01-2009, 15:11

Excuse my ignorance, I have just done the same as you lou, and boy is it a PAIN in the arse getting the manifold apart, i got 2 hours in and thought OHHHHHH God what have i got myself into Im NEVER gonna get this apart, but eventually got in there and mine was in the same sort of state as yours. Unfortunately I wasnt as prepared as you with some replacement internals, but dont the butterflies only open at higher rpm and the WHOLE mechanism PURELY for fuel econemy reasons, i gutted mine comepletely and resealed and feels A LOT better than it did before, but then again it could be my imagination running wild as the tapping noise has gone YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Typhoon 180 · 16-01-2009, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bertiebowser

Excuse my ignorance, I have just done the same as you lou, and boy is it a PAIN in the arse getting the manifold apart, i got 2 hours in and thought OHHHHHH God what have i got myself into Im NEVER gonna get this apart, but eventually got in there and mine was in the same sort of state as yours. Unfortunately I wasnt as prepared as you with some replacement internals, but dont the butterflies only open at higher rpm and the WHOLE mechanism PURELY for fuel econemy reasons, i gutted mine comepletely and resealed and feels A LOT better than it did before, but then again it could be my imagination running wild as the tapping noise has gone YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The butterflies open at approx 3000 rpm but depending on throttle position aswell, when you take out all the insides out of the plenum you will result in lack of torque and possibly your fuel consumption will go up as you will find you have to change gear more often as the car will have no pull low down in high gears

lou123 · 17-01-2009, 15:09

lol its all fun and games isnt it lol flamin nightmare :-(

Yeah, mine feels MUCH MUCH better than before. A vast improvement and well worth all the stress in my opinion.

My next job, is fiting me ZS extreme spoiler (as i dont have one :-) ) Watch this space :-)

bertiebowser · 18-01-2009, 19:55

yea totally. I have the extreme spoiler but not too sure about it. minesthe saloon not sure if they do t exrtreme spoiler for the hatch but everytime i look at h from side on, i cant help thinking the curves would look better without. I know this is wrong thread to end up talking about this, but does anyone have a zs180 saloon without any spoiler?, as would be interested to see the outcome.

bertiebowser · 18-01-2009, 20:06

I must say also, your right about low end feeling a little lower on the power, it reminds me of my previous car a civic type r. get to 5900rpm then ALLL te power kicks in, as my zs180 now lacks then early mid range all of a sudden pulls like a tank. even tho its not ideal its better than a £500+ bill forthe time being and GOD tht tapping was soo hurrendously annoyin and embarassing. sounded like i was driving a 99pence banger!!!!!!!!!! haa

MGZS_Spectre · 18-01-2009, 20:41

Yeah mine had a knackered balance valve that was not closing and now its fixed it also feels down on power at the low end, I put it donw to the fact that there is 2 plenums now so it is effectivly a different engine to the single plenum setup I had before. Also you can put your foot down in 5th at just over 1k and feel it pull, its not noisey or fast but you can feel it is beter.

Typhoon 180 · 18-01-2009, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGZS_Spectre

Yeah mine had a knackered balance valve that was not closing and now its fixed it also feels down on power at the low end, I put it donw to the fact that there is 2 plenums now so it is effectivly a different engine to the single plenum setup I had before. Also you can put your foot down in 5th at just over 1k and feel it pull, its not noisey or fast but you can feel it is beter.

how have you got 2 plenums on ?

patpending · 19-01-2009, 07:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lou123

... Not bad for a girlie eh

...

Lou, if you are a woman I hope you will pounce on the posters who say sexistly that "girlies" are no good at cars!

However, did you learn your car maintenance at sailors' night school? (judging by your language lol)

You registered in 2006 - you are really making your posts count!

08-01-2009, 20:39	#1
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	ZS180 Fitting New VIS Valves, Manifold, Plugs & Catch Tank -Pic HEAVY! Oh well have i had a friggin day or what! OK, plan was, fit VIS valves to see if it cures me rattle, if not, fit new manifold, fit new plugs, while im there, and fit me oil catch tank. Did everything go to plan? Did it *****! Right, so, first off, i wanted to see if it was the VIS valves causing me rattle before i went and started taking off manifolds. So, off i went.... That one bloody screw is a right pain in the backside. SO made myself a little tool to make life easier lol Once this screws out, the rest is EASY PEEZY! Old ones: New Ones: All fitted! RATTLE STILL THERE!!!!!! OK, so, luckily (or so i thought) my buddy got me an inlet manifold off a friend of a friend off a Freelander lmao AWESOME i thought, ill fit that with me new VIS valves! Oh yeah right! So, of i went, taking the other manifold off, disconected all the loom, plugs, vacummes, throttle etc etc etc and it looks like this: SORTED! Thats was EASY!!!!! Went to fit the new one.................. Errrr.....................Its COMPLETELY different! Theres a lesson for you. Dont think your clever and fit a Freelander one - it dont fit lmao! BALLS!!!!!!! OK, now what sherlock as i dont wanna spend time fitting my old one back on as its fubard! Head scratchin, head scratchin! Lets open my old one up and see whats inside! Easy, ill just unscrew these 10 screws and ill be able to get in there - WRONG! That cover is welded on with some superhuman glue! Would not come off without brute forse! "OH Maaaaaaaaaaan" Sod it, i dont wanna butcher my manifold as its the right one. I need to butcher the new one as its the wrong friggin one anyway. So, made me a super sharp knife out of some steel i had lying about and off i went on my butchering ways . After 2 solid hours of hammering it to death and going through more screwdrivers than.........i dunno.....i went through a lot of screwdrivers lol POP! Off fell the cover I'm in - YIPPPPPPPPPPY!!!!!!!!!! Arse! These valve thingies here are sealed, i cant take them out and put them in mine! GUTTED! Sod it, im gonna have to put mine back on arnt i? In walks me dad! I say to him, "look at this dad, the arm in my manifold is moving so badly and look at the arm in the new one. Mines buggered, what am i gonna do." So what does me dad do? Pulls the arm in my manifold SO it falls off inside! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo! Oh my god! Now i have NO manifolds! Sod it, mines got to come apart now. So, another million hours later, off pops the cover and out pops the arm. Loom at the state of this: No wonder it fell bloody off. Theres hardly anything left of it! Them nice little round cylinder bits that clip onto the valve thingies are no more lol theyve all just cracked or fallen to pieces. One of them was even twisted! OK batman, what ill do, is ill put my new arm onto my manifold. See if that cures it. All clipped on nice and tight: Gave it a clean, along with the lid and the throttle body Got me some RTV and sealed it back up. So, while im waitin for the RTV. i fit me new tripple prong plug things Out with the old, in with the new: Now its gettin MEGA dark and im absolute shattered lol But i thought id give me catch tank ago. I dont think ive plumed it right lmao so im gonna change it tomorrow - DOH! Thats what you get for working tired and hungry - plus im starting to stink lol So, so far, the idea is there, just need to change me pipes lol Right, so seen as ive made a rookie mistake (my first catch tank EVER lol) im off to bed and ill see if ive cured me rattle tomorrow morning and ill sort me catch tank out! Comments welcome lol Last edited by lou123; 08-01-2009 at 21:27.*

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08-01-2009, 20:49	#2
shroonie29 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KV6 Heaven :) Car: ZS 180 saloon Posts: 2,069	Have you a pic of the wrong Plenum? I'm sure some on XPF have fitted the LR one without issue. Shroon

08-01-2009, 20:55	#3
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	If you look at them, there IDENTICAL!, when you fit them. Its a WHOLE other story. The nipple is missing for that vacum type breather which comes off the fuel rail, there is a sensor missing and the throttle body doesnt fit lol i gave up looking for anything else that was wrong lol Ill show you pics 2moz as now im in me nice warm bed lol

08-01-2009, 21:06	#4
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	apologies for my language :-/ Just one of those LONG days lol I've never worked on one of these before. There not all that hard really. Dont know why i was so scared of it lol We will see if im saying the same when/ if i do the belts lol

08-01-2009, 22:24	#5
stamford Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterlooville Car: MG ZS200, TD5 Discovery, MGF SE 1.8i Wedgewood Posts: 4,657	Those plenums are a challenge to separate aren't they! I have three in my garage in various states of disrepair! I keep talking about making a new arm but never seem to find the time. The fit and quality of the whole assembly is cheap and very poor.

09-01-2009, 00:09	#6
sheddist Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Car: MG ZS Posts: 1,191	Congrats to you for having the bottle to take your plenum apart. Whne re-assembling, I suggest that you add a lot more screws to hold it together in the hope that it will not leak. Use number 4 self tapper - about 3mm diameter and drill a hole no smaller then 2.5 mm to tap them into. Maybe a bit bigger if they are too tight. With respect to sealaing, probably silicone is OK as it will fill the gaps - If you can get the joints very clean - try brake cleaner. Best of luck!

09-01-2009, 08:51	#7
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	that glue dont come of for ****** does it lol took AGES for me to even get it lookin "kinda" respectable lol i managed to get the same stuff used by MG to seal it all back together and ive left it in the house over night. Havin me breaky in a min and then off to see if it works. Wish me luck

09-01-2009, 12:57	#9
bandit123 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: huddersfield (west yorkshire) Car: 2.5 v6 Posts: 253	sweet mate nice job good to see you also had the time to take pics and post them very usefull

09-01-2009, 22:53	#10
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	and by gosh its bloody worked lol feels like a TOTALLY different car. Really responsive, pulls like a train and no more annoyin rattle Happy days! Not bad for a girlie eh More pics to follow

11-01-2009, 17:44	#11
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	ok guys, spot the difference Heres the Freelander manifold and heres my MG manifold

11-01-2009, 17:50	#12
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	ok, im being impatient lol ill tell ya. These pieces are missing: you see?

16-01-2009, 15:11	#13
bertiebowser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Exeter Car: MG ZS Posts: 171	Excuse my ignorance, I have just done the same as you lou, and boy is it a PAIN in the arse getting the manifold apart, i got 2 hours in and thought OHHHHHH God what have i got myself into Im NEVER gonna get this apart, but eventually got in there and mine was in the same sort of state as yours. Unfortunately I wasnt as prepared as you with some replacement internals, but dont the butterflies only open at higher rpm and the WHOLE mechanism PURELY for fuel econemy reasons, i gutted mine comepletely and resealed and feels A LOT better than it did before, but then again it could be my imagination running wild as the tapping noise has gone YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

17-01-2009, 15:09	#15
lou123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Car: MG ZS 180 2.5 V6 Posts: 188	lol its all fun and games isnt it lol flamin nightmare :-( Yeah, mine feels MUCH MUCH better than before. A vast improvement and well worth all the stress in my opinion. My next job, is fiting me ZS extreme spoiler (as i dont have one :-) ) Watch this space :-)

18-01-2009, 19:55	#16
bertiebowser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Exeter Car: MG ZS Posts: 171	yea totally. I have the extreme spoiler but not too sure about it. minesthe saloon not sure if they do t exrtreme spoiler for the hatch but everytime i look at h from side on, i cant help thinking the curves would look better without. I know this is wrong thread to end up talking about this, but does anyone have a zs180 saloon without any spoiler?, as would be interested to see the outcome.

18-01-2009, 20:06	#17
bertiebowser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Exeter Car: MG ZS Posts: 171	I must say also, your right about low end feeling a little lower on the power, it reminds me of my previous car a civic type r. get to 5900rpm then ALLL te power kicks in, as my zs180 now lacks then early mid range all of a sudden pulls like a tank. even tho its not ideal its better than a £500+ bill forthe time being and GOD tht tapping was soo hurrendously annoyin and embarassing. sounded like i was driving a 99pence banger!!!!!!!!!! haa

18-01-2009, 20:41	#18
MGZS_Spectre Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Car: MG ZS Posts: 186	Yeah mine had a knackered balance valve that was not closing and now its fixed it also feels down on power at the low end, I put it donw to the fact that there is 2 plenums now so it is effectivly a different engine to the single plenum setup I had before. Also you can put your foot down in 5th at just over 1k and feel it pull, its not noisey or fast but you can feel it is beter.

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