D'oranging help (again, not for the last time either knowing me!) - MG-Rover.org Forums

foshdafosh · 12-05-2004, 12:45

Afternoon all!

I've done my lights, they look lovely!

Couple of questions though, if they're not sealed properly, how long d'ya think it'll take for them to go wrong?

I want to sell these ones and do the other set of lights I've got you see. But I don't want to sell duff goods to anyone, so I'm wearing the nice lights on my car to see if they go wrong..

Ta all!
Foss

Striker · 12-05-2004, 14:28

You'll find out very soon. Just use a pressure washer (or whatever you call them) on them, you'll see damp inside of the lights if they haven't been sealed properly.

foshdafosh · 12-05-2004, 14:31

Ooer... Fingers crossed!!
It needs a clean anyhow, I'll get it done this afternoon...

Schtopper · 12-05-2004, 14:47

They'll look like my fog lights did when it rained, half full of water and if they're not sealed properly or any air containing water vapour has got in whilst you were doing the mod you'll get loads of condensation building up on the inside and that realy can be a bugger to sort out. i've had to put my fog lights in the oven to stop them doing that!

lard · 12-05-2004, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by foshdafosh

I've done my lights, they look lovely!

Foss

I would so like to do this on my ZS - can you advise where to get the lights from??

Thanks,

lard

Schtopper · 12-05-2004, 15:58

You don't replace the lights (well you can but the choices for the ZS are well nearly none existent) de-oranging i think in the way he's on about involves taking apart the existing headlight unit and removing the orange lining in the indicator leaving clear plastic. Not something i'd want to do myself and certianly not whilst the car is still under warranty (because well it won't be anymore)

Striker · 12-05-2004, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by lard

I would so like to do this on my ZS - can you advise where to get the lights from??

The 45 lights don't have the orange bits, so you could fit these as well (not cheap though).

Schtopper · 12-05-2004, 16:01

Don't they?!?! oooh i didn't know that i assumed they were exactly the same unit given it's pretty much the same car. Would cost around £220 i'd imagine, i know a ZS headlight unit is £110.

Mike12345 · 12-05-2004, 16:28

Yeh for the ZS you can change for the 45 headlights.

Anyway...fosh...please seal em properly. Trust me.
Any water in there will just nacker the lights over time, rendering them useless.

Myne steamed up for a few hours...then went completely, so giv it a bit of time.

I think it was just like a tiny bit inside when i sealed em back.

Just seal em back together, then take em out again...
And seal over it all again. That usually does the trick.

Mgfdude · 12-05-2004, 18:06

will the 400/45 lights de-oranged fit 200mk3?

foshdafosh · 12-05-2004, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelperrin

Anyway...fosh...please seal em properly. Trust me.
Any water in there will just nacker the lights over time, rendering them useless.

This is my concern.. There ain't no way I'm doing it to the other set until I've run these ones for a while.. Touch wood, there was no moisture in them today.. But as you said, over time!

I think I might give it as long as a month, if they cloud up at all, they're dead and I've done it wrong yeah?

Also, for those of you who are interested in buying the lights, hang on a while.. It's going to take me a long time to decide these are fit for sale! Even then, I've got to do it to my other set and test those too!
I promise I'll put a post up in the for sale section if I do sell any though..

foshdafosh · 12-05-2004, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fecae2000

will the 400/45 lights de-oranged fit 200mk3?

I don't think so mate, I just looked at the 400 over the road and they're not really the same shape..

Maybe one of the companies that sell the lexus lights should start making these! I know I'd have bought some.. May still have to if these go t#ts up!

technozen · 12-05-2004, 20:14

Interesting this.....because there is a Rover technical bulletin that covers
the subject of the Mk3 200 headlights "fogging up".........Dealers are advised
to inform customers that the headlights are in fact not sealed and the fogging can be considered to be normal and should dissappear after the headlights have been on for some time.

I've just had a look at a 200 in the scrappies that had de-oranged headlights.....I wanted the indicator bulb holder...its all rusted...I bet the
new sealant used was of the silicone variety....ooooh I did warn you all!!!

foshdafosh · 13-05-2004, 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by technozen

Interesting this.....because there is a Rover technical bulletin that covers
the subject of the Mk3 200 headlights "fogging up".........Dealers are advised
to inform customers that the headlights are in fact not sealed and the fogging can be considered to be normal and should dissappear after the headlights have been on for some time.

I've just had a look at a 200 in the scrappies that had de-oranged headlights.....I wanted the indicator bulb holder...its all rusted...I bet the
new sealant used was of the silicone variety....ooooh I did warn you all!!!

How odd.. Did you read that in the Rave thingy then?

Ermmmm.. What's wrong with silicone then? That's what I used.. :-S

technozen · 13-05-2004, 15:33

Silicone based sealants give off acetic acid as they cure....which is corrosive.

My original tutorial mentioned the use of a non-silicone sealant for this very reason.

Striker · 13-05-2004, 15:46

Not to mention the effect it gives when the front of your car has to be resprayed

.

Mike12345 · 13-05-2004, 16:25

What does that mean Sander?

foshdafosh · 13-05-2004, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by technozen

Silicone based sealants give off acetic acid as they cure....which is corrosive.

My original tutorial mentioned the use of a non-silicone sealant for this very reason.

I followed instructions which said this:
"Use a silicone mastic to replace the original grey sealant, preferably a non acetic type
such as RITO. There is no need to fill the groove right to the top as it will squeeze out
everywhere when the two halves are reassembled.
Fill the groove about one third the way up."

I didn't understand so showed this sentence to a cousin who does understand! He gave me some stuff he said was right.. Is the above statement correct?

technozen · 13-05-2004, 21:25

Well, I had used RITO before and knew it was a non-acetic sealant and that
it wouldn't do any harm.

Silicone sealants that give off acetic acid have a familiar "vinegar" smell....after all thats what vinegar is.

Striker · 13-05-2004, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelperrin

What does that mean Sander?

If the front of your car has been in contact with silicone and it has to be repainted, the paint won't hold very well.

12-05-2004, 12:45	#1
foshdafosh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Brighton Car: '00 Honda S2000 Posts: 1,834	D'oranging help (again, not for the last time either knowing me!) Afternoon all! I've done my lights, they look lovely! Couple of questions though, if they're not sealed properly, how long d'ya think it'll take for them to go wrong? I want to sell these ones and do the other set of lights I've got you see. But I don't want to sell duff goods to anyone, so I'm wearing the nice lights on my car to see if they go wrong.. Ta all! Foss

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12-05-2004, 14:28	#2
Striker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands Car: '99 Rover 200 Vi Posts: 5,224	You'll find out very soon. Just use a pressure washer (or whatever you call them) on them, you'll see damp inside of the lights if they haven't been sealed properly.

12-05-2004, 14:31	#3
foshdafosh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Brighton Car: '00 Honda S2000 Posts: 1,834	Ooer... Fingers crossed!! It needs a clean anyhow, I'll get it done this afternoon...

12-05-2004, 14:47	#4
Schtopper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Car: Something Else Posts: 4,611	They'll look like my fog lights did when it rained, half full of water and if they're not sealed properly or any air containing water vapour has got in whilst you were doing the mod you'll get loads of condensation building up on the inside and that realy can be a bugger to sort out. i've had to put my fog lights in the oven to stop them doing that!

12-05-2004, 15:58	#6
Schtopper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Car: Something Else Posts: 4,611	You don't replace the lights (well you can but the choices for the ZS are well nearly none existent) de-oranging i think in the way he's on about involves taking apart the existing headlight unit and removing the orange lining in the indicator leaving clear plastic. Not something i'd want to do myself and certianly not whilst the car is still under warranty (because well it won't be anymore)

12-05-2004, 16:01	#8
Schtopper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Car: Something Else Posts: 4,611	Don't they?!?! oooh i didn't know that i assumed they were exactly the same unit given it's pretty much the same car. Would cost around £220 i'd imagine, i know a ZS headlight unit is £110.

12-05-2004, 16:28	#9
Mike12345 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Car: Other Manufacturer Posts: 14,761	Yeh for the ZS you can change for the 45 headlights. Anyway...fosh...please seal em properly. Trust me. Any water in there will just nacker the lights over time, rendering them useless. Myne steamed up for a few hours...then went completely, so giv it a bit of time. I think it was just like a tiny bit inside when i sealed em back. Just seal em back together, then take em out again... And seal over it all again. That usually does the trick.

12-05-2004, 18:06	#10
Mgfdude Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Swansea Car: MGF Posts: 1,689	will the 400/45 lights de-oranged fit 200mk3?

12-05-2004, 20:14	#13
technozen Mmmm....Rover.. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brighton. Car: 200vi & Freelander XEDi Posts: 9,880	Interesting this.....because there is a Rover technical bulletin that covers the subject of the Mk3 200 headlights "fogging up".........Dealers are advised to inform customers that the headlights are in fact not sealed and the fogging can be considered to be normal and should dissappear after the headlights have been on for some time. I've just had a look at a 200 in the scrappies that had de-oranged headlights.....I wanted the indicator bulb holder...its all rusted...I bet the new sealant used was of the silicone variety....ooooh I did warn you all!!!

13-05-2004, 15:33	#15
technozen Mmmm....Rover.. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brighton. Car: 200vi & Freelander XEDi Posts: 9,880	Silicone based sealants give off acetic acid as they cure....which is corrosive. My original tutorial mentioned the use of a non-silicone sealant for this very reason.

13-05-2004, 15:46	#16
Striker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands Car: '99 Rover 200 Vi Posts: 5,224	Not to mention the effect it gives when the front of your car has to be resprayed .

13-05-2004, 16:25	#17
Mike12345 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Car: Other Manufacturer Posts: 14,761	What does that mean Sander?

13-05-2004, 21:25	#19
technozen Mmmm....Rover.. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brighton. Car: 200vi & Freelander XEDi Posts: 9,880	Well, I had used RITO before and knew it was a non-acetic sealant and that it wouldn't do any harm. Silicone sealants that give off acetic acid have a familiar "vinegar" smell....after all thats what vinegar is.

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