216GTI or 220 Turbo

[evilgangsta]

Hi all I have a 216 GTI which I love to bits its very very quick and drives like a dream I was just wondering what the 220turbo is like in comparison power wise? As I have been thinking about getting the coupe but i dont know if I would be better off investing the money in a few tweaks for the gti

[geeza76]

0-60 6.2 seconds
150mph +

if you can get the 216 to do this then hats off to you!!

[220SLi16v]

220 Turbo all day long

[ROSS SANDY]

I dont think you can really compare these two cars, the 220 coupe turbo would eat the 216gti for breakfast. for a couple hundred pounds you can make them around 220bhp and they will keep up with the likes of impreza's, Evo's and M3's

[evilgangsta]

Hi thanks for the responses I figured as much just wanted to see how much of a difference there was between the two

[220SLi16v]

Probably a good 85bhp difference lol

[MGJohn]

Originally Posted by evilgangsta

Hi thanks for the responses I figured as much just wanted to see how much of a difference there was between the two

You will have to learn how to drive a turbocharged car to get the best out of it if you've not driven one before. It's a different technique and will take time to do that if you've been driving a normally aspirated car for a long time.

The reverse is also the case. After weeks driving my T16 turbos, when I then jump into my ZS which is mainly driven by my wife, I have to mentally readjust until I again get in the swing of things. There's far more to getting the best out of a car than merely flooring the throttle pedal.

Chalk and cheese....until I got a turbocharged car and used it regularly, I much preferred normally aspirated cars. Not now.... turbos forever..

[Jiminey]

Yes the 220 Turbo is faster but it has got a very weak engine compared to the likes of an M3 or Evo and loves to leak oil. The reason there aren't a great deal of 220 turbos around is they blow up for fun. I'd stick with your 216gti if you like reliability, Honda/ Rover engine there is no comparison really now is there....Forgot to mention it will cost you a whole lot more to run as well.

[Dave turbo]

Originally Posted by Jiminey

Yes the 220 Turbo is faster but it has got a very weak engine compared to the likes of an M3 or Evo and loves to leak oil. The reason there aren't a great deal of 220 turbos around is they blow up for fun. I'd stick with your 216gti if you like reliability, Honda/ Rover engine there is no comparison really now is there....Forgot to mention it will cost you a whole lot more to run as well.

you obviously don't know the T-series!!! More reliable than an M3!!! Mine didn't leak any oil!!

If it wasn't reliable it wouldn't have had been tuned in excess of 500bhp!!!!!!

Expect more praise to follow for the T-series after me!!

[dj_wymo]

Originally Posted by Jiminey

Yes the 220 Turbo is faster but it has got a very weak engine compared to the likes of an M3 or Evo and loves to leak oil. The reason there aren't a great deal of 220 turbos around is they blow up for fun. I'd stick with your 216gti if you like reliability, Honda/ Rover engine there is no comparison really now is there....Forgot to mention it will cost you a whole lot more to run as well.

They only blow up for fun if there abused, usually!

[Dave turbo]

I had coupe turbo for 5 years, 100,000 miles and did lots of track days and stll was as smooth as syrup, infact I got a BM coupe sport afterwards and even tho it was a straight six the turbo seemed as smoother and definately quieter, infact the person who bought it couldn't believe it had done the mileage it had - he thought more!!

[Steve220]

Originally Posted by Jiminey

Yes the 220 Turbo is faster but it has got a very weak engine compared to the likes of an M3 or Evo and loves to leak oil.

Pistons are weak, but they blow up because the majority of the owners that have them don't know any of the safetly margains of the car and just wind the boost up as far as they can and stick a cone air filter in the OE airbox position where most of the heat of the engine is

Originally Posted by Jiminey

The reason there aren't a great deal of 220 turbos around is they blow up for fun. I'd stick with your 216gti if you like reliability, Honda/ Rover engine there is no comparison really now is there....Forgot to mention it will cost you a whole lot more to run as well.

Maybe where you are, but there are loads around here. They don't just blow up for fun, if you abuse the car, it'll die. If you abuse an M3, it'll die. I've seen so many turbo owners rag their cars from cold, a major killer, as well as not letting them cool down for a minute or 2 before turning them off after a hard blast.

Whole lot more? only thing i can see is the fuel and the oil changes every 6k miles. Not really 'a whole lot more' is it?
Steve - turbo owner for almost 3 years.

[ash7990]

Originally Posted by Steve220

Pistons are weak, but they blow up because the majority of the owners that have them don't know any of the safetly margains of the car and just wind the boost up as far as they can and stick a cone air filter in the OE airbox position where most of the heat of the engine is



Maybe where you are, but there are loads around here. They don't just blow up for fun, if you abuse the car, it'll die. If you abuse an M3, it'll die. I've seen so many turbo owners rag their cars from cold, a major killer, as well as not letting them cool down for a minute or 2 before turning them off after a hard blast.

Whole lot more? only thing i can see is the fuel and the oil changes every 6k miles. Not really 'a whole lot more' is it?
Steve - turbo owner for almost 3 years.

i agree...

[Dave turbo]

you'll find a lot of M3s with extended warranties as the VANOS is a common problem to go and not cheap!!

[MGJohn]

Originally Posted by Jiminey

Yes the 220 Turbo is faster but it has got a very weak engine compared to the likes of an M3 or Evo and loves to leak oil. The reason there aren't a great deal of 220 turbos around is they blow up for fun. I'd stick with your 216gti if you like reliability, Honda/ Rover engine there is no comparison really now is there....Forgot to mention it will cost you a whole lot more to run as well.

I have found exactly the opposite! On all fronts!

The T16 Rover engine is one of the finest 'ordinary' production engines of the past two decades. To save following folks wondering why, the only 'mod' on my various T16s is this:



Thus, I do what I can to illuminate the huge number of less well informed out there. There really is far too many .....