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Financially Brexit may be fine for the uk. Emotionally I feel differently. My home in france is worth just over £40k.Thats how much it cost me to build it myself. 40% would go in taxes if I sold. The uk would impose a stamp duty on me of about £13,000 on the houses we are looking at if I bought in the uk because I have a house abroad.
Europe needs sorting out, yes. But with us out of it we will not have any influence.
There are 3 million expats in the eu. There is a proposed cap on health benefits to those over 65. They already have to pay 2k euros in top up health insurance. If that goes they may not be able to afford health care outside of the uk.
An influx of elderley expats coming back to the uk would not be healthy for the NHS.
Not brexit. more brokeit.
 

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Financially Brexit may be fine for the uk. Emotionally I feel differently. My home in france is worth just over £40k.Thats how much it cost me to build it myself. 40% would go in taxes if I sold. The uk would impose a stamp duty on me of about £13,000 on the houses we are looking at if I bought in the uk because I have a house abroad.
Europe needs sorting out, yes. But with us out of it we will not have any influence.
There are 3 million expats in the eu. There is a proposed cap on health benefits to those over 65. They already have to pay 2k euros in top up health insurance. If that goes they may not be able to afford health care outside of the uk.
An influx of elderley expats coming back to the uk would not be healthy for the NHS.
Not brexit. more brokeit.
In EU we had very little influence. Usually quite the opposite. Some folks fail to notice that.

I have ageing relatives on the mainland with property too. Elderly ex-pats appear to return anyway as things start to slow down with age associated problems and issues for them.

Whilst there will always be some who will suffer in some ways with any change, overall longer term benefit for the Nation as a whole is the much more desirable benefit and must take priority.

The likes of Gina Miller and those she represents with massive funding backing moving to undermine things for the rest of us appears to get much air time on our equally biased media. These are all mostly media "I'm alright Jacks and Jills" with the mindset of why fix it if it aint broke ... for them! Some of that UK media get UK taxpayer's money via EU Brussels hand out so not surprisingly they have this "We're alright" mindsets.

Looking out the window as I type this, huge black clouds are headed this way bringing more rain. I blame BREXIT ... :frown:......:wink:..... As yet another day will come and go with me being unable to work on the cars for long ...."Rain stopped play"
 
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Oh gloom and doom. ...:surprise:

Sales for a massively wide range of vehicles DROPPED in the same way. Further continuing growth on growth expectations is for the clueless and unrealistic

When the company only sells/registers a few hundred cars each month and releases a new SUV into the market to replace the flop that was MG6, it is not unrealistic to expect growth.
 

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I fear consumer confidence is low with regard to cars particularly due to the government's lack of clarity over Brexit and also the situation with diesel and petrol cars.

Whilst diesel has taken a massive hit, it seems that rather than buying a petrol or electric car instead people are just staying away from the showrooms.
 

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The sooner the whole UK Nation realises that those parasites on the mainland will never release their parasitic grip on UK funds without huge resistance to their sustaining host and let it go the better. Being easy was never on the cards.

Those we entrust to the Nation's longer term well being in both the Red and Blue corners and all the intermediates will also need to understand that. Thankfully, there are signs that even T. May is coming round to realise that just maybe, her stance following her selfish and privileged party line by voting remain may just have been the wrong one. Maybe not for her party and "the few", but, most certainly for the Nation as a whole.

Also, May should have stressed what Brexit really means. Brexit means ....Yes, it means really severing that parasitic umbilical cord to Brussels permanently and most certainly the sooner the better. Even she and most of her party are coming round to the concept that "No Deal" will be the best deal for the Nation as a whole. Yes, some jobs will be lost but only a fraction of the total of the millions of UK jobs lost in the past forty odd years as a result of our membership of what I voted for, the EEC and not the parasitical all consuming Monster the so called Union has evolved into during all those years.

The parasites will have to get used to the fact that their life sustaining host wants out ... and sharpish deal or no deal.

Just the way I see things... could be wrong of course :laugh:

Meantime I shall continue to creep about in my old British Built MGs and Rovers, including the one with a Chinese built MG6 engine under its bonnet.

OK, I'll hold my hands up ... I did of course lie about... creeping about... >:)
 

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And October is drawing to a close. Has GS "sold out" until January? How is 3 selling? How many ZSs have been registered as demo vehicles etc?

Last October's sales were just 257 but all the guesses were at least 100 higher.
http://forums.mg-rover.org/mg-saic-roewe-related-chat-207/guess-mg-uk-registrations-october-2016-a-830705/

I wonder what the difference is this month? I could imagine 3 sales being quite strong and maybe 100 ZS registrations. Last month was 842 and we were all too optimistic, but September is a strong month.

I'll have a guess at a more-pessimistic 238. EDIT figure is only 194 so I was not pessimistic enough. The ZS dealer demonstrators were used for the press fleet which reduces registrations but helps margins.

patpending 238 WINNER but hoping for much better things to come...

batoutofhull 265
adaveabbott 349
gnu 360
Isto 575

I see the figures are published on 6 November so last guesses on Sunday 5th November please.
 

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575, let's be optimistic...
it's interesting with forecasting things like political votes or MG sales, people tend to come up with similar projections and then everyone gets wrong-footed, so why not go for something else?
 

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:err: 360 is a nice round number - I'll go for that! I've seen more and more SAIC MG's on the road recently.
 

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:err: 360 is a nice round number - I'll go for that! I've seen more and more SAIC MG's on the road recently.
Well, I've added your guess to our select little band.


There are only five of us but I am most pessimistic!

Real number out tomorrow. I'm shutting down now.
 

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There's YTD only for October at 0945.

Alfa 4302
MG 3515
Ssangyong 3215
Subaru 2217.

Alfa is well over 4000.

EDIT September YTD was:
Alfa 4,009
MG 3,321
Ssangyong 3,005
Subaru 2,118

so October month is 194. I win but it was even lower than I thought.

YTD/YTD/Month Oct

Alfa 4302 4009 293
MG 3515 3321 194
Ssan 3215 3005 210
Sub 2217 2118 99
 

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It will pick up again. Be interesting to know how other makes did. Is there a sales down turn generally?
It's all here: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

The likes of Ford, Renault and Vauxhall have had a shocking month so that overall sales are down 12% (MG: 25%). YTD the market is down 4% and MG, which had been showing an increase, is now down 1%.

I think it's possibly true that no new stock of GS is due to arrive until 2018, and with the press cars being dealer demonstatrators, MG's own registrations of ZS are low. MG3 sales must have been low. However, we know that the dealers will have had dozens of ZS orders (a dozen orders noted over only a few days across under a quarter of all dealers) and that the first of these will be registered in November.

I think as interested prospective customers come in for a look at the ZS, they may buy 3 or GS instead...
 

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It's all here: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

I think as interested prospective customers come in for a look at the ZS, they may buy 3 or GS instead...
Maybe.

The 7 year warranty is a big draw. However the last time I had an MG warranty it was cut short.
I would wait for the zs.
Saying that I know family who went to buy one car and changed their mind. The waiting list for a new Mondeo is 19 weeks in Hull.
 

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Maybe.

The 7 year warranty is a big draw. However the last time I had an MG warranty it was cut short.
I would wait for the zs.
Saying that I know family who went to buy one car and changed their mind. The waiting list for a new Mondeo is 19 weeks in Hull.
What I meant is, although I think customers will be driving off in their own ZSs in a couple of weeks, that they will go in attracted by the idea of "small SUV" and find they either need "smaller" (3) or "SUVer" (GS) but that each alternative is there ready to order.

By "MG warranty cut short" I presume you are thinking about the old MG Rover. That's a fantastic point for us - whenever we think "not a proper MG", we also remember how BMC, BL and Rover in various incarnations were always short of money and ultimately a hollowed-out shell run by people who were judged unfit to be company directors. SAIC is a Top 7 car company by financial strength and in the Fortune 500 ahead of B*W so if an MG with a warranty is a new departure, hooray!
 

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NOVEMBER 2017 GUESSES

MGJohn 213
batoutofhull 235
gnu 262
adaveabbott 295
patpending 412


See post on next page. I was too cautious. 472.

Patpending wins! :discostu:


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Hello again select band! I see that November's figures are published on 5 December, and December's on 4 January.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/News-releases-2017-publication-dates.pdf

Carsalesbase tells us that November 2016 MG3 registrations were only 182

MG3 European and UK sales figures

and that GS sales were only 81.

MG GS European and UK sales figures

Even if GS registrations are very low as some statements have led us to believe, ZSs have been flying out of showrooms limited only by how fast the boat can get here.

So my prediction is for a high 412 cars this month, more than double October. Anyone else?
 

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Traditionally, cold November is a poor month for car sales so I'm going for a total of 213 sales for this month. Being close to Christmas also depresses sales as folks have their minds on other things.

So 213....
 
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